This is the biggest reason why Tanks and Healers are designed to be braindead easy.

[Jeeqbit]

You're right that this is the reason they are braindead easy, but I can say what I used to witness when they were more complicated:

• A PLD spamming the Rage of Halone (enmity combo) and never using Royal Authority or Goring Blade.
• As a PLD, I was once attacked for "not aiming my shield" at enemies which used to be required to block them (which was impossible because they were huge enemies in multiple directions that you couldn't move back to bring in front of you).
• A huge percentage of tanks using enmity stance 100% of the time even though a lot of raider tanks would use their damage stance almost 100% of the time.
• (In youtube videos and streams) I've always seen players not even pressing damage buffs like Fight or Flight.
• Obviously, to this day, they don't press damage reduction abilities sometimes.
• (In videos and streams) I've often seen people struggle to complete their 1-2-3 combo and instead do 1-2-1 because moving out of a red circle distracted them that much.

GM's don't understand what is actually 'harassment'

Yes, they do. It is all about how you word it. It is definitely harassment to try to tell another player what to do. You can make a polite suggestion such as "if you use total eclipse, you can make all of the enemies attack you in one hit ", but saying "do this, now" is an order and saying "you're bad for not doing that" is rude and is harassment.

It's also difficult to give polite advice in a dungeon because you don't know the person, so blurting out advice can be interpreted as "blurting out aggression" because they don't know you. It's easier to just give advice to people you know outside of the dungeon, such as FC members or players in the Novice Network, because they know you are trying to help since you are less of a stranger.

My mindset is that, yes, a player may not be doing well, but they are usually in an FC or the Novice Network and will, over time, ask questions in those locations and learn things from experience. I don't necessarily need to teach them it then and there, because in time they will learn it anyway and it's easy to carry them.

[Zairava]

Tanking/Healing = Easy - isnt true for everyone!
A new player wouldnt find it it all that easy.
They are still LEARNING the game, their role and mechanics on top of that.
(Tanking/Healing becomes easy overtime with expereince)
- Boosting is a thing, so you can experience such players at high lvl content too!

Note: I'm talking not about this specific instance..
because i feel there is to little information to go about..
I'm talking about new/unexpereinced players.
Note: You also have trolls - who intentionally plays bad to troll.

The Lunar Subterrane is literally the last msq dungeon you can unlock right now. You would still need to go through 10 levels, which includes the endwalker story and patch content.

All you have to do is activate stance and press one aoe button, not even do the combo, not including using defensives, to hold aggro. There is actually no excuse as to why he couldn't even do the absolute bare minimum of his role. Stop defending incompetence.

Events like this are epitome of the evidence on you will absolutely never get the whole populus of players to do even the bare minimum no matter how hard you simplify pve job design.

[Zeastria]

The Lunar Subterrane is literally the last msq dungeon you can unlock right now. You would still need to go through 10 levels, which includes the endwalker story and patch content.

All you have to do is activate stance and press one aoe button, not even do the combo, not including using defensives, to hold aggro. There is actually no excuse as to why he couldn't even do the absolute bare minimum of his role. Stop defending incompetence.

Events like this are epitome of the evidence on you will absolutely never get the whole populus of players to do even the bare minimum no matter how hard you simplify pve job design.

I advise you to read everything before replying...
A new player would have improved and learned..
If you are dealing with a troll - that's a different story.
( players that intentionally plays bad to ruin for others )

[Teno]

Tanking/Healing = Easy - isnt true for everyone!
A new player wouldnt find it it all that easy.
They are still LEARNING the game, their role and mechanics on top of that.
(Tanking/Healing becomes easy overtime with expereince)
- Boosting is a thing, so you can experience such players at high lvl content too!

Note: I'm talking not about this specific instance..
because i feel there is to little information to go about..
I'm talking about new/unexpereinced players.
Note: You also have trolls - who intentionally plays bad to troll.

Why are you still condoning people who have never touched a single game in their life as a base point ? Do you really think people are that stupid ? Yes a new player would find it supremely easy, because the gameplay is literally one button. These takes...

[Mayhemmer]

I don't understand this ideology of a certain group of FFXIV players that think that immediately white knighting a player and gaslighting the player who is trying to give simple advice, makes them immediately a morally superior person by encouraging bad players to continue griefing other players in endgame content. But because GM's don't understand what is actually 'harassment', it's the reason why a huge majority try to keep their mouth shut and even would much rather leave the dungeon, take the 30 minute penalty, and just go for another expert roulette dungeon run.

Not like I have much to base this on, but I think most of the blame falls on the fact that "negative" toxicity has been so frowned upon and, at least in my own experiences, curb-stomped into the ground through timely moderation that the only recourse most undesirables have to do their thing is through "positive" toxicity. A sort of arms-race to see who can gaslight the other person into doing/saying something reportable first. Maybe that's not always the case, but in 9 out of every 10 Alliance Raid roulettes I get, for example, it very much is.

[AmiableApkallu]

So keep tanks and healers braindead. Apparently, it's too hard to hit one or two buttons ONCE every trash mob.

Someone encounters a bad DPS: "They need to read their tooltips, practice, and git gud."

Someone encounters a bad tank or healer: "Please to be dumbing down their kits so that they can't possibly do something wrong."

I'll never understand this double standard.

[OgruMogru]

Surely by the very nature of someone being new, it's a given that they do not know everything and have room to improve. Therefore shielding them from growth or criticism is more harmful than someone getting a bit frustrated and not being polite enough in reminding them of this fact.

[IDontPetLalas]

So basically OP is bored and wants to stir up drama. Nothing really to see here.

[Zeastria]

Why are you still condoning people who have never touched a single game in their life as a base point ? Do you really think people are that stupid ? Yes a new player would find it supremely easy, because the gameplay is literally one button. These takes...

Some new players boost their character to catch up with friends who are max level..
Can be they're new to the role,but not the game..ect
The gameplay isn't 1 button, and there is more to tank/heal than just pressing buttons.

[Fourbestintoner]

Every job has been made easier because xiv is infected with bad players? You don't say.