Quote Originally Posted by Renathras View Post
Wait what?

No, there has to be an absolute answer. You can't use "no effort" as a metric of bad and "effort" as a metric of good (you can't have the one without the other) if you can't define "no effort" and "effort".

That is, you can't use something for an argument/to support a position if you not only can't define it but refuse to do so.

And no, "we'll just have to see" is not a valid answer. What if it's not enough? Then you ask for more? And those of us who were only going along with you begrudgingly this far are asked to bend even more, give up even more while you take and take and take? No, that's not an answer. "We have to pass the bill to find out what's in it" is a dangerous position, not one that can be sustained and not one anyone should agree to. The famous saying applies: "Only an idiot signs a contract without reading it first". The boundaries must be clearly established.

There's a big problem with discussions when you are asking for things but can't even clearly define it. "I'll know it when I see it" sorts of things, which you can't use to build compromises or agreements with. Imagine two nations at war trying to work out a peace agreement and one saying "So where will our new boundary be?", thinking both sides make their proposals then haggle to end somewhere in between, and the other nation says "Well, if you're looking for an absolute answer, I don't have one, and that makes no sense anyway. How about we just give me some of the disputed land and I'll tell you if it's enough later?"
Again showing you cant argue in good faith. Talking about levels of effort for a dps rotation absolutely has to take into account of where we are currently. Absolutes here are just an intentional distraction because you feel the arguement finally slipping from you so you engage in the most basic debate lord tactics.

What if it's not enough? Yea then we'll have to go further although I doubt that it isnt enough. Weirdest gotcha attempt I have ever seen.

Two nations at war? You good buddy? Absolutely unhinged comparison. The only one at war is you with reality. Any content you do right now will still easily be clearable with a more complex damage rotation just because how math works.