Alliance Raid Now iLvl Locked, Why??

[Katz_McKatz]

I feel you're missing my point. Moving CT into its own roulette is good in theory. It being the only required one, having its own queue makes sense.

But, the whole point of cheesing the ilvl is to get the maximum rewards for minimum effort. So CT is removed from the pool, that just means the next quickest and easiest raid is going to become the one everyone complains about, likely Void Ark.

I want SE to please fix the current situation, but at the same time I don't want them to go for another easy and quick band aid that's going to cause more unintended consequences. That's how we got to the current situation in the first place.

Thanks for explaining what you meant. I agree with that.

[PyurBlue]

I feel you're missing my point. Moving CT into its own roulette is good in theory. It being the only required one, having its own queue makes sense.

But, the whole point of cheesing the ilvl is to get the maximum rewards for minimum effort. So CT is removed from the pool, that just means the next quickest and easiest raid is going to become the one everyone complains about, likely Void Ark.

I want SE to please fix the current situation, but at the same time I don't want them to go for another easy and quick band aid that's going to cause more unintended consequences. That's how we got to the current situation in the first place.

This is a legitimate concern, but CT remains the only raid that is required, so it's much easier to be forced into while using random queues. In the case of any other raid, you have the potential of queuing with people ineligible for Void Ark.

If it's possible for SE to do something more complex than just separating roulettes, which appears to be possible, then I think additional options should be considered. However isolating CT should also be a priority because of its current place in the game.

I don't know exactly what is possible, but we could further divide roulettes such that the ones of equivalent effort are grouped together, eliminating the desire to find the path of least resistance. Another alternative is to simply let people blacklist content from roulettes. As long as you have two groups with opposing desires, that will work.

[NightHour]

You're only able to collect the other tomes from roulette as level 90. 565 is a bit high i think, so now new level 90's are being punished?

"Punished"

You get a free set of left side 560's simply from MSQ progression and being level 89.

Few dungeons for the right side pieces and you're 565 easily.

[PyurBlue]

"Punished"

You get a free set of left side 560's simply from MSQ progression and being level 89.

Few dungeons for the right side pieces and you're 565 easily.

And that free gear is completely inaccessible unless you complete almost the entire MSQ. In other words it's not an option for many.

The gear issue is a problem. Reading through this thread, I can't help but think if the people on the side that is trying to ignore the problem were actually in the opposite situation, would they not be calling for QoL improvements? Getting gear for the roulette is not impossible, but it clearly wasn't thought about. Bad decisions don't have to be defended.

[Zakuyia]

Lets be real allot of you who die in Nier Raid and New raid kinda suck. You run crystal tower so much that you forgot what harder raids feel like and you literally bring down others. You all need to practice older raids that are higher end and running crystal tower is not gonna make u better at a nier raid or ivalice.... Seriously running crystal tower so much was so annoying i stop doing alliance raids cause i knew I would get crystal towers cause ppl were scared to do lvl 80+ raids. I'm sure I'm not the only person of like mind who thinks running Crystal tower is boring af.

[Erzaa]

Lets be real allot of you who die in Nier Raid and New raid kinda suck. You run crystal tower so much that you forgot what harder raids feel like and you literally bring down others. You all need to practice older raids that are higher end and running crystal tower is not gonna make u better at a nier raid or ivalice.... Seriously running crystal tower so much was so annoying i stop doing alliance raids cause i knew I would get crystal towers cause ppl were scared to do lvl 80+ raids. I'm sure I'm not the only person of like mind who thinks running Crystal tower is boring af.

OK. I think you took a wrong turn somewhere. Tales from the Duty Finder is down the hall and to your left.

This thread is discussing the players affected by ilvl locking them out from the raid roulette who want to run all those raids you mentioned, not just CT.

[Toutatis]

However isolating CT should also be a priority because of its current place in the game.

I don't know exactly what is possible, but we could further divide roulettes such that the ones of equivalent effort are grouped together, eliminating the desire to find the path of least resistance. Another alternative is to simply let people blacklist content from roulettes. As long as you have two groups with opposing desires, that will work.

The objective of roulette is to fill whatever needs to be filled. Removing CT from queue would just create long queues for whoever specifically queues for it. The same goes with further fragmenting roulettes and blacklisting duties. You’d just wait much longer for raids to fill up with 24 people.

And that free gear is completely inaccessible unless you complete almost the entire MSQ. In other words it's not an option for many.

The gear issue is a problem. Reading through this thread, I can't help but think if the people on the side that is trying to ignore the problem were actually in the opposite situation, would they not be calling for QoL improvements? Getting gear for the roulette is not impossible, but it clearly wasn't thought about. Bad decisions don't have to be defended.

This is going to be “fun” when 7.0 comes out and people end up being locked out of Alliance roulette doing their MSQ with no MB option to gear up for a while…and when the first craftable gear is released, it will be at outrageous prices (plus it’s even more absurd when you think that this early craftable gear is primarily aimed at getting into the new savage tier and not to clear old low level ARs).

[Bonoki]

I feel like the current direction of things is heading into the eventuality of Crystal Tower being converted into a 4 man dungeon with trust support.

[TomsYoungerBro]

I feel you're missing my point. Moving CT into its own roulette is good in theory. It being the only required one, having its own queue makes sense.

But, the whole point of cheesing the ilvl is to get the maximum rewards for minimum effort. So CT is removed from the pool, that just means the next quickest and easiest raid is going to become the one everyone complains about, likely Void Ark.

I want SE to please fix the current situation, but at the same time I don't want them to go for another easy and quick band aid that's going to cause more unintended consequences. That's how we got to the current situation in the first place.

They already resolved this by giving out additional rewards for the 60/70/80/90 alliance raids. CT is no longer the "maximum rewards for minimum effort".

[Erzaa]

They already resolved this by giving out additional rewards for the 60/70/80/90 alliance raids. CT is no longer the "maximum rewards for minimum effort".

If the additional rewards were enough of an incentive to stop ilvl cheesing, they would've never added the ilvl lock in the first place.

There's nothing wrong with splitting CT into its own roulette with its own rewards. We'd just have one additional roulette per day to do. Instead of MSQ, Dungeons, Alliance Roulette, Frontlines etc, we now have MSQ, Dungeons, CT Roulette, Alliance Roulette, Frontlines etc. It's an extra 30 minutes per day, no big deal, if SE wants to do it, they can go for it.

Let's say hypothetically, CT is split out into its own roulette. Now, we have Void Ark, Ivalice, Nier and whatever the Endwalker raids are (I don't know their names, I haven't done Endwalker yet.)

The question is, are the additional rewards you'd get from running Endwalker raids say, worth the additional time and effort investment in completing them, over just running Void Ark, or not? This is what ilvl cheesers will weigh before deciding to cheese a raid.

Either way, in the end it doesn't solve the issue of the players who are currently locked out of the raid roulette who had nothing to do with ilvl cheesing. We still can't queue up for Alliance Roulette unless we pointlessly overgear compared to our current MSQ progress.