Shifting and Concerning Moods Regarding the Writing

[Atelier-Bagur]

I might be wrong, but I think Meracydia/ the New World is one of, if not the last part of Hydaelyn left to be explored? If so, then perhaps with Dawntrail they're doing a clear sweep of Hydaelyn itself and then, having made shard and and space travel a relatively trivial affair, we'd be going to other reflections/ stars that would presumably have their own cultures and whatnot to fill in the sense of mystery that's been taken away.

...I'm not sure how effective it would be given that anything we'd hear on the other shards would just be their own interpretation of our history with Hydaelyn and a ShB rip, but maybe that's what they're going for. Come up with new zones and locations and stories less history-focused, but throw in a wink-wink-nudge-nudge moment about the Ancients to tickle the fans now and then.

Theres also Aerslaent, the homeland of the roegadyn in the north. They left due to a tyrannical ruler but apparently theres still people living there. What happened? Did its government get replaced? Is their still oppression there? Is that land truly where all life originated from like what the roegadyn believe?

I would like a roe focused expansion please

[Lunaxia]

Generalisations exist to...

Generalisations, especially those founded on nothing but a subscription to your own questionable criteria, are meaningless; they're self-serving, deeply flawed, highly subject to personal bias and subsequently, more often than not, completely wrong, and I'm amazed I should even have to point that out and why as a result they have no place in a real discussion. I also shouldn't have to explain why it's both condescending and entirely irrelevant to use such poorly pre-conceived notions to make any sort of sweeping judgement about an aspect of a someone's attributes in an argument. For all that you are trying to paint me as an injured party and yourself as the rational one here, your posts are surprisingly lacking in relatively basic logic.

Funnily enough, half of that conversation you're referring to is actually missing because of the way that particular individual wound up responding to several posters in that thread, and I'd suggest familiarising yourself with his history before you use that as a basis to make even more poor judgements based on selective and limited evidence. I frequently debate with other people here, and I greatly enjoy it, but I have no interest in opinions offered without thought or respect for the other party, nor maintaining a sense of decorum when absolutely none is shown in kind.

And for the record, hearing about bigotry from someone who considers an entire population of people intellectually beneath them because to your mind they're not sufficiently cognisant of the effects of Confucianism or Plato on media might be the winner for the grossest lack of self-awareness shown on these forums, and that's quite the accomplishment, I have to say. But to humour you: do I have a prejudice against people who think life is unfair? No. Do I take issue with using that attitude to justify poor behaviour towards other people? Absolutely.

[Alec97]

Generalisations, especially those founded on nothing but a subscription to your questionable criteria, are meaningless; they're self-serving, deeply flawed, highly subject to personal bias and subsequently, more often than not, completely wrong, and I'm amazed I should even have to point that out and why as a result they have no place in an honest discussion. I also shouldn't have to explain why it's condescending and entirely irrelevant to use such poorly pre-conceived notions to make any sweeping judgement about an aspect of someone's attributes in an argument. For all that you are trying to paint me as an injured party and yourself as the rational one here, your posts surprisingly lack relatively basic logic.

Funnily enough, half of that conversation you're referring to is missing because of the way that particular individual wound up responding to several posters in that thread. I'd suggest familiarising yourself with his history before you use that to make even more poor judgements based on selective and limited evidence. I frequently debate with other people here, and I greatly enjoy it. Still, I have no interest in opinions offered without thought or respect for the other party, nor maintaining a sense of decorum when absolutely none is shown in kind.

And for the record, hearing about bigotry from someone who considers an entire population of people intellectually beneath them because, to your mind, they're not sufficiently cognisant of the effects of Confucianism or Plato on media might be the winner for the grossest lack of self-awareness shown on these forums, and that's quite the accomplishment, I have to say. But to humour you: do I have a prejudice against people who think life is unfair? No. Do I take issue with using that attitude to justify poor behaviour towards others? Absolutely.

I love how you assume that it's my own internalised criteria. This has been a massive concern across education for the past 20 years, especially around things such as funding, staffing, and grading attainment compared to private models, trying to bridge the gap in trying to promote a more equitable society. The falling grade standard and grade inflation compared to previous models were grades used to be far more challenging to achieve and expected a lot more, classes have been streamlined, and what was on offer has shrunk, etc. We have even seen the collective overall IQ in the younger generations decrease by around 5 points, which is enormous because it's the best-determining factor of future success. In generations with far smaller cohorts, it's incredibly worrying because that means we are producing smaller amounts of people who are less intelligent than their parents. This has been a trend since the '80s and even the post-World War II generations have very few outstanding thought leaders compared to generations before and post-WW1.

It's clear that you have disdain for people who you beleive are antithetical to your values. That entire conversation was someone telling you that you don't listen, you project your internal flaws on them, label them things they aren't. Then, double down on your vulgar attitude while acting like a righteous individual, and even if they responded to you, it wouldn't matter because you had already made your mind up and wouldn't listen.

The only person here who has received poor treatment is you because you took issue with one point in a massive post and then continued to make it about yourself because you have internalised problems. Get help.

[MistakeNot]

Generalisations exist to critique the general public. It’s why they are called generalisations.

No, that is not why they exist, nor why they are called that.
Try educating yourself, so you know what words mean before you use them.

[Ephremjlm]

So basically the writers for EW, lmao. I remember I said something like this before. Parts of FFXIV's story sound awfully a lot like someone pretending to be knowledgeable about philosophy when in fact they barely understand any of it.

Lmao its funny because as someone who took into to philosophy, and who still flips through the book from time to time, when I stop to think about it this is like dead accurate. I think that's why people love Emet as a character. There were no games or gimmicks, he was who he was, and his portion of the story is what really gave the game the quality FF feel, at least to me. Like he along with like the soft restart in a new world made that story incredibly strong. He was almost like Tidus, who was guiding the story to its conclusion until a certain point then its a "who knows what happens next".

[Ephremjlm]

I might be wrong, but I think Meracydia/ the New World is one of, if not the last part of Hydaelyn left to be explored? If so, then perhaps with Dawntrail they're doing a clear sweep of Hydaelyn itself and then, having made shard and and space travel a relatively trivial affair, we'd be going to other reflections/ stars that would presumably have their own cultures and whatnot to fill in the sense of mystery that's been taken away.

...I'm not sure how effective it would be given that anything we'd hear on the other shards would just be their own interpretation of our history with Hydaelyn and a ShB rip, but maybe that's what they're going for. Come up with new zones and locations and stories less history-focused, but throw in a wink-wink-nudge-nudge moment about the Ancients to tickle the fans now and then.

Mark my damn words. Ascians are coming back one way or another. That or there will be something like "who made the ascians" that will trigger us to have to go back to elpis, and in turn talk to emet, venat, etc. etc. etc. again. ESPECIALLY considering the mystery of Azem.

[Alec97]

No, that is not why they exist, nor why they are called that.
Try educating yourself so you know what words mean before you use them.

I love how you tell me to educate myself and then forgo giving the so-called education you've received. You will probably say it's not my job to educate you next.

A generalisation is used to speak about things which apply to the general public because that's who we are talking about, which can range from something very specific to something very broad. There will always be exceptions to the rule and those exceptions usually do prove the rule or provide indicators about specific issues which happen disprortilnatly within the specified group. So for example Celtic people have red hair is a generalisation and a very broad one but what it hints at is the higher percentage the rate at which they produce people with it even among Europeans. Generalisations are fine when your talking about something which is measurable, it won't affect everyone but it doesn't need to. It's only very recently that people like to have issues with generalisations because they want everyone to come up with an academic paper before saying something since it doesn't match their lived experience.

[MistakeNot]

I love how you tell me to educate myself and then forgo giving the so-called education you've received. You will probably say it's not my job to educate you next.

Since I don't know where you work, I don't know what your job is - but I sure hope it does not involve educating me, or anyone else. Getting a good education is much preferable.

[Sevan]

If it weren’t for a friend of mine who just deleted her account, I might not have come back here to talk about the plot of this game. I know she put a lot of love and money into this game. Many of my friends have given up on the plot of this game, they used to like the plot, or like being the hero protagonist… But after version 6.0, the game chose the most stupid and cheap mobile romance game writing style.

Why are the scions always in the game? Because this writing style is to make you have a good relationship with every character, but it usually destroys the character’s shaping. (Zenos is an exception, you know what he is like). Insisting on using only this writing style will make you unable to write a good new character, which is why they have to keep using the old characters.

The writers have been doing this since 6.0, there is no need to be surprised at 6.X. In 6.0, they took advantage of the already shaped characters, and many people cheered. But the old characters are used up now, it’s that simple.

Why can’t this writing style shape good characters? Because it doesn’t care about the character’s emotions and motivations, first the writers lose respect for the character, and then this respect will be perceived by you subconsciously. It suits those players who will never empathize with the characters, and only want to get a few words of love confession. These players can like both the ancients and Hydealyn at the same time, they tell yoshiP they like it this way. This is the result.
My friends are all desperate, my writer friend expressed sympathy for the writing team, and then chose to skip the plot. I don’t know what I’m holding on to. The plot of pandemonium is rare not to use this writing style. (Except for the Themis part) The writers seem to want to remind the players of something desperately. It’s a pity it won’t work.

Players who like to study the plot found that after 6.0, the world view setting was changed, the original interesting setting was abandoned, the characters became strangers, and the protagonist was no longer the hero of the past. Humans are emotional animals, and players who really have feelings for this world and the characters will empathize with this world and those characters, and then feel that the final days is coming. In fact, most of the writers are not willing to destroy everything they have built, even if you pick up a kitten on the side of the road, you will not want to throw it to death, let alone the world and characters that have been shaped for several years. Just like a vase made by the writer, it was smashed in 6.0, very loud and beautiful. The audience cheered, and the host was satisfied. Next, they picked up the pieces on the ground and continued to smash them, which was not so good-looking. They squeezed out a mud ball with their hands and threw it to the ground, which was even worse. At this time, the players asked: Where did the vase go? We want a more beautiful vase.”

[Vahlnir]

I do believe that the quality has definitely gone down. Don't get me wrong, I haven't always played the game for the story, and I've been saying this since ARR, but...I'm really, REALLY starting to lose interest in it now. They've basically cleaned the entire slate and removed any and all mystery from the game world and made questionable decisions regarding various characters all the while. What few interesting characters we've had have either died, were ruined by the writers or have been sent away indefinitely. Also, just because story/lore elements have been around for a decade, doesn't mean that they need to be thrown out just because they're old. It's the little details that make a game interesting, in my opinion. A certain level of intrigue does wonders for player interest. The game needs to feel more interesting again, and right now...it just feels hollowed out.