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    Quote Originally Posted by Alec97 View Post
    No I'm not nor did I say Eikons are gods, I said the summoning method is summoning a god and therefore it's a destination without a difference. The word Eikon means representation. If I'm summoning the physical representation of a god I'm therefore summoning a god. If I chose to do it with a fork I would get a fork. It's that simple I don't need super impose anything on it.

    What you are doing is saying that because the people in the setting can do summoning magic what they are summoning isn't a real representation of the idea wich is false because they still manafesting the being in question its just a matter of how limiting they are as individuals. The more powerful and intelligent the individual, the more flawless the representation of the idea will be.
    A quick note here. The procedure for summoning eikons/primals/whatever you want to call them is confirmed to be a flawed form of creation magicks passed down by the Ascians. Individual representations of each primal vary widely one from the next not merely because they're being influenced by their summoners but also because they're quite literally being made anew with each incarnation. The belief systems of those carrying out the summonings do play a role in the end result, but they do not allow these creations to exceed the sum of their parts. In other words; no matter how hard people erroneously believe the thing they're conjuring is a god, the end result can never truly be a god.

    A thing can possess the form of godliness without also wielding commensurate power and knowledge, as is the case with pretty much every primal to ever exist that wasn't named Zodiark. This is not a case of being limited by its summoners so much as it is a case of being limited by available aether and/or crystals. Prayer alone is not sufficient to conjure one of these things up, let alone grant it power.

    Consequently, believing something is a god does not mean it's a god or even a proper representation of a god. It may be a god to you, but that in no way qualifies that entity as an actual deity. Or, put another way, summoning the representation of an idea or belief does not mean that representation is the real thing. The primal Garuda is just a creature that happens to carry the appearance and mannerisms of the Garuda believed in so fervently by the bird people, for example. That isn't Garuda, no matter how much the Ixal (and the primal Garuda itself) believe it is. There is no actual Garuda, and there never was. Like all primals, "Garuda" was born the first time she was summoned.
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