Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent. 2.0

[NekoMataMata]

Alright fine.

Your screenshot exists only to dunk on the ypyt person and suggesting someone to talk first before reporting certain acts encourages them to bog down the report system. Additionally you put a new player's chat log up potentially without their permission to support a debate in a thread with complete strangers.

I will not take part in you trying to pin an oversized A on the front of someone whom you might not have even spoken to about this with and both YPYT and other acts won't improve if you don't speak up against them in-game and try to communicate first instead of aiming to dunk on folk or go scorched earth and report in-game.

It's weird that you take screenshots and post them publicly (potentially) without the other person's knowledge. Censored or not. Especially when nobody was debating that aspect.

Bruh, you literally just moved the goal posts from our discussion on how YPYT is bad to focusing on the screenshot.

I mean first off, let's get this clear. It's 2023, people post screenshots of everything, including chats. Unless there's something incredibly private there(there's not), then it's all fair and fine. I don't know if you're just a boomer or if you're being obstinate here.

Second off, you're talking about no one debating the aspect of what's in the screenshot, but you literally stated earlier that you doubt that I've even spoken with them. So which is it, do you need me to post even more of the chat to show where I started talking and trying to correct them, or is that unnecessary? Make up your mind.

Sorry to not contribute anything fun to the thread. It's just that every time "YPYT" comes up I sit here and wonder, "Why is this a thing?"

Same though. I don't see why people can't understand that it's bad. People look for any outlet to endorse it, and I just can't understand why. I looked back at the chat and apparently in the early morning people were telling the sprout to turn off stance, shirk and then disconnect.

It really just makes me so sad to see so many people supporting it in some form. I just can't.

[Avatre]

The only tanks that really bother me are the ones that do not do their job.

The ones who don't do their job, and the ones who are OT and still think Provoke is part of their rotation. If another tank Provokes while I am MT, they are MT now.

[Darkobra]

I mean first off, let's get this clear. It's 2023, people post screenshots of everything, including chats.

I'm always a fan of the "Everyone else does it" warcry. Thins out the species a little more every day.

[Remolia]

I'm not saying YPYT is good but it also isn't good to just let people do whatever random BS they want because they're impatient and selfish.

At the risk of sounding "both sides"-y, they're both bad behaviours and sprouts should be taught that instead of making them believe one thing or the other is more or less rude.

The disservice is that you are making the community sound uptight and arguemetive while also saying its normal and fine to rush through things to sprouts who may not grasp mmo roles and culture/unwritten rules.

YPYT is bad but so is acting outside of your role as your unexplained and unexpected movement and gameplay choices can cause those around you to mess up and slow down as well. The point of the game is to cooperate and you're discouraging this.

I am exhausted by the amount of people who think rushing on ahead will somehow magically speed people up. You getting your dualcast or other timed proc off means diddly squat if your healers have to heal your ass (or themselves) instead of DPS or when half the party hangs back instead of attack while waiting for the tank to waddle on over.

True speed is when you're all playing your roles and not when you're forcing people to improvise around your impatience and people need to get over themselves and realize they're not the only person playing.

YPYT is ToS violation. You can't just call it bad, its unsafe behavior, that leads you to penalty.

[ChrysOCE]

I think it depends on what content you are talking about. Below 50, sure, I'll let the tank set the pace. Don't be a jerk. 50+, I expect tanks to be sprinting ahead and not giving anyone a chance to pull mobs.

[Renalt]

I think screenshots are fine as long as the names are blacked out which they did. I don't see the issue here.

[Vahlnir]

I'm beginning to become annoyed by the quick chat options in CC. Trying to communicate on the fly like that, and worrying about hitting the wrong key like "Nice job!" as we are losing has left me flustered on more than one occasion. lol I hope those who have seen this don't think I'm being sarcastic or a jerk. I'm just fumbling my action bars and trying to give people targets. Think I've hit that "Nice job!" one twice this evening, and I hope no one reports me. It really wasn't intended. Side note, I would love to win sometime this evening. It has been brutal. I have also decided to take that quick chat key off my action bars.

[Tiramu]

I don't understand why there is always so much acrimony about "you pull, you tank." Someone running ahead of me has never caused a problem, and really only happens if I accidentally pop Sprint before a zone transition like a dumbass. I pull everything I can, as far as I can, and if there are one or two strays I can get them picked up before any DPS gets his face ripped off. Tanking dungeons isn't difficult, and hasn't been for a long time. I think the last time I saw a party wipe on a trash pack was a while back when I did a leveling roulette as a DPS and got The Burn, but that experience was definitely an outlier.

If you're a new tank and the DPS are running ahead, just keep going as far as you can, catch up with them, and spam your AoE stuff. You'll have the mobs back in no time.

Sorry to not contribute anything fun to the thread. It's just that every time "YPYT" comes up I sit here and wonder, "Why is this a thing?"

No, most of the time its not a problem. But context.

If someone is pulling ahead of the tank, and the tank isnt confident or is undergeared then it can cause big problems. I think this is mostly an issue in ARR content, but if a tank or healer is new to content in expac duties then its still a dick move.


Also, if someone (or a pair) are intentionally trying to pull aggro and piss about to grief the party then it can be a pain. Certain jobs can pull aggro during pulls and cause a headache for both tanks and healers. It might not wipe the group, but its still a pain.

Doesnt make YPYT OK, but still, lets not pretend like its the tanks problem if DPS intentionally pull aggro ahead of them. If I wanted to draw aggro during a pull on Bard, I can and it will have the tank spotting me during the pull. And that would be on me. If I run ahead and pull more than the tank and healer are comfortable with, also, that would be on me.

[Noxster]

Had a weird day today while doing my roulettes. I have two accounts, one is a cat while the other one a bunny.

So I started off my day running my roulettes with my cat. Queued into normal as a sch and got pepsi man. It was all fine and dandy until the tank (a vet) start moving left and right like they're trying to dodge the autos. Ok you know what, you do you but then, they turned him towards us. Alrighty, time to be a bit of a healer bot. Despite all of this, it went smooth. Then, I went to do trials and got Zurvan. The tank didn't move and all of us kept getting cleaves during the first phase. Ok, fine, we'll just move. When we get to the second phase, the tank decided to take Zurvan for a walk while occasionally cleaving the group. There were some deaths but that's okay. I decided to log off once we cleared it and went to my bunny.

Guess what? The same thing happened with my bunny account. Did normal first and got Fist of the Son. Tank decided the best place to tank it is in the electric circle. We tried telling them to bring it to a corner but nope. Death montage time. Someone couldn't take it anymore and left, I followed right after. One would think I would given up after that but no, I decided to queue into trials and got Titania. Tank decided to tank her south is the best idea ever. Cleaves almost everyone with the tank busters.

One would think all of these tanks are sprouts or even returners. No, they are mentors and veterans of the game. Heck, one of them is an Alpha Legend for goodness sake. It honestly upsets me. Getting cleaves constantly is not fun. Once or twice yeah, we can have a laugh but every single tank buster/cleave? No.

[Darkobra]

It's far too easy to get mentor in this game and still have no idea what you're doing. Trusts means you can now level to 90 without even needing to come across a real person for half the time. Then they get into content that requires SOME knowledge, which in this game, really isn't that much.