The hell were they thinking when doing "Newfound adventure" back on 6.1???

[ChrysOCE]

To me, this whole post-patch EW story has just been very much a who cares? Non of it feels like it matters. We just saved the whole universe, to then go: oh, by the way, some dude in the void wants to destroy the world or whatever. It just feels very much like they were stuck with an idea of what to do and decided, hey lets go with a world ending threat.... again!

Scatterbrained thoughts are I feel like we should have been dealing more with the ramifications and loss and fear and rebuilding. There should have been lingering effects, from the stopping the Final Day, with the underlying idea of what was said, about how little we knew about and had explored of the world. That would be the set up to go visit the other places.

This whole Golbez thing could have been made into an expansion, later, to explore and recover the Thirteenth shard, somehow, instead of being shoehorned into post-patch and treated like oh no! the lady of wind! oh, she dead... whose next?

[Iscah]

Also, why has everyone convinced themselves that Dawntrail is all about the WoL going on a beach vacation, like we aren't going to have any real reason for going there? This seems like a huge assumption, based on one very brief teaser trailer. We're even seen engaged in combat for a bit in that trailer, what kind of "vacation" is that?? The expansion story could start out calm and light, but within the first half hour or so things are going to go screwy and we'll wind up finding out about something sinister that needs fighting.

This. One joke about it being a summer beach holiday doesn't undo everything else we were shown in the trailer and keynote.

We're specifically there for an adventure that will be taking us to a lot of different places with inevitable danger and stuff. Of course we're going to take a moment to do touristy beach things upon arriving in a tropical coastal town, but that isn't going to be the entire plot and we've already been told as much, and seen it in the trailer.

It's not going to be a whole expansion of lazing on the beach and having really intense volleyball competitions or something.

[ChrysOCE]

This. One joke about it being a summer beach holiday doesn't undo everything else we were shown in the trailer and keynote.

We're specifically there for an adventure that will be taking us to a lot of different places with inevitable danger and stuff. Of course we're going to take a moment to do touristy beach things upon arriving in a tropical coastal town, but that isn't going to be the entire plot and we've already been told as much, and seen it in the trailer.

It's not going to be a whole expansion of lazing on the beach and having really intense volleyball competitions or something.

To be fair though, that's not the fault of the people who think that. That's on Yoshida for putting that idea out there. He could have been like, hey this is going to be initially a low key thing, but what mysteries are hiding under the surface. It's him that started this whole vacation thing.

[Iscah]

To be fair though, that's not the fault of the people who think that. That's on Yoshida for putting that idea out there. He could have been like, hey this is going to be initially a low key thing, but what mysteries are hiding under the surface. It's him that started this whole vacation thing.

It was one probably light-hearted statement amid a whole presentation of what we would actually be doing and seeing there. People for some reason have seized on it as if he walked on stage, said "we're off to the beach!" and showed nothing but shots of the Scions doing tourist stuff.

[ChrysOCE]

It was one probably light-hearted statement amid a whole presentation of what we would actually be doing and seeing there. People for some reason have seized on it as if he walked on stage, said "we're off to the beach!" and showed nothing but shots of the Scions doing tourist stuff.

Because:
https://www.polygon.com/23811679/fin...ease-date-ff14 Quote attributed to Yoshida: Yoshida said, “you did just save not only all of Hydaelyn, but kind of the whole universe, so we thought we’d give you a little break”
https://www.eurogamer.net/final-fant...ummer-vacation Quote attributed to Yoshida: Indeed, Yoshida described it as "the very best summer vacation" for Warriors of Light and quite the change from Endwalker.
And that's just two links.
I get it, I agree. But Yoshida himself is out there talking about vacations and breaks. This isn't stuff that people just made up, based on a single throwaway comment. I don't think it's fair to be going: why is everyone reacting like this or making this up? It's not like Yoshida is some kind of novice developer. He knows what message he is putting out there.

[Aniya_Estlihn]

It was one probably light-hearted statement amid a whole presentation of what we would actually be doing and seeing there. People for some reason have seized on it as if he walked on stage, said "we're off to the beach!" and showed nothing but shots of the Scions doing tourist stuff.

Except, he's had interviews after fanfest where he's said it is a vacation arc, the 6.5 MSQ has told us we need to take vacation three times, and he recently said they want to provide players with the "ultimate catharsis" after Endwalker finished the previous arc. By all accounts, 7.0 isn't going to be that serious and anyone expecting it to be are setting themselves up for a major disappointment when the narrative turns out to be super self contained with little to no stakes that linger afterwards. Will there be a villain and conflict? Always, he even said as much at fanfest that while it's a vacation story, its still an FFXIV expansion. Obviously though, with his catharsis and lowering the stakes comments, it's not going to be world ending, it's not going to even be high stakes. I suspect it'll be something relating to the Rite of Succession and some mustache twirling doof is going to pop up, screw up what's going on by trying to unearth/awaken an ancient evil to conquer Tural and we'll take that down near the end; probably in the city of gold.

That said, I find it sad that many are starting to discredit everything that's been said about Dawntrail's narrative; he's said a lot, is foolish and only this playerbase would willingly do so because they've convinced themselves that SE lies about the game all the time. I don't believe this is the case with your statement, to clarify, I'm just bothered by the sudden negativity and lack of trust they have for a dev team and director/producer who have an incredibly solid track record of not blowing smoke up our behinds.

Either way, its far more than one statement at fanfest and more like a dozen-plus across fanfest and various interviews afterwards. Its not a one-off statement in the slightest.

[Iscah]

he even said as much at fanfest that while it's a vacation story, its still an FFXIV expansion.

That right there is why I am not bothered by the "beach vacation" thing. It's still an FFXIV expansion – visiting interesting settings and dealing with local goings-on in each of those locations. I'm not at all in denial that the overarching plot will likely be lower stakes than the preceding expansions; I'm just not bothered by that prospect.

At the same time, the fact that it is an FFXIV expansion means that the plot is going to be something more complex and engaging than ten levels of "relax on the beach", which seems to be what people are picturing when they object to the base concept of the game as shown thus far.

As for your final paragraph, I've read it several times and I'm still not sure exactly who you're calling foolish or whether you're including me in "the playerbase" as if everyone who plays the game has the same take on things.

[Aniya_Estlihn]

As for your final paragraph, I've read it several times and I'm still not sure exactly who you're calling foolish or whether you're including me in "the playerbase" as if everyone who plays the game has the same take on things.

Generalized statement, not directed at you, no. My apologies. A bit of venting due to the mass amounts of negativity and naysaying or people suddenly acting like Yoshida is the devil incarnate because sometimes he misspeaks, things are lost in translation or get pushed back. A bit of a knee-jerk addition to my reply that wasn't really all that necessary, so again, my apologies. Not directed at you at all and more just a generalized "rebuke" of current prevailing trends among more vocal facets of the playerbase. Edit: I've added something akin to what I just said here to my previous post. Sorry for the confusion or implied aggression you might have felt from me, not my intent at all.

I do agree that the 'relax on the beach' vibe is a bit weird from people. Surely there will be instances where our character does relax, as they've implied it, but that's likely going to be reserved for moments of levity between each major story beat akin to how we had a massive dinner with the Scions in Endwalker.

[Lunaxia]

To me, this whole post-patch EW story has just been very much a who cares? Non of it feels like it matters. We just saved the whole universe, to then go: oh, by the way, some dude in the void wants to destroy the world or whatever. It just feels very much like they were stuck with an idea of what to do and decided, hey lets go with a world ending threat.... again!

Scatterbrained thoughts are I feel like we should have been dealing more with the ramifications and loss and fear and rebuilding. There should have been lingering effects, from the stopping the Final Day, with the underlying idea of what was said, about how little we knew about and had explored of the world. That would be the set up to go visit the other places.

This whole Golbez thing could have been made into an expansion, later, to explore and recover the Thirteenth shard, somehow, instead of being shoehorned into post-patch and treated like oh no! the lady of wind! oh, she dead... whose next?

It's very weird, to the point I'm confused why it isn't talked about more - even criticism regarding 6.1 onwards is mainly to do with the quality of the void quests. If they want to rid themselves of the entire arc they've worked on for a decade that brought them immense popularity with a perplexing sense of speed and dismissal, fine, but I don't understand not even devoting some of post-6.0 to looking at any after-effects of what was a world-altering affair. Every expansion that came before made a clear point of doing so, and under much less impactful circumstances. And in exchange for... this. Some strange, lacklustre IV rip-off they couldn't even dredge some original lore or the Mhach raids for.

Really, really weird. I feel like any other company would have wanted to take advantage of the explosion of interest for as long as they could, but it's like they couldn't wait for it to be over.