Arthars: FFXIV should take a few hints from Dragonflight

[Elissar]

No, jesus, no...kill me, please
Blizzard change gearing every patch, mythic+ is a random frankenstein that people complain alot about dungeons and random affixes
Stop. WoW is a lobby game now, a literal mixture between MMORPG, ARPG and lagged events. Those streamers are desperate.

Warframe would be way better. Unironically our tome gear is OP.

[FenyxRising]

No, jesus, no...kill me, please
Blizzard change gearing every patch, mythic+ is a random frankenstein that people complain alot about dungeons and random affixes
Stop. WoW is a lobby game now, a literal mixture between MMORPG, ARPG and lagged events. Those streamers are desperate.

Warframe would be way better. Unironically our tome gear is OP.

FF14 is even more of a lobby game though ?

[Elissar]

while the pessimist in me is saying they're doing it for the views. Either way it's got people talking, I 'spose.

Listen to your pessimism, it will be way better. Read my signature.

[Elissar]

FF14 is even more of a lobby game though ?

Exactly. Another reason why copying a lobby MMO is an awful idea.

[Sindele]

The cool thing about a statement like 'anything would be better than the current gearing situation' is that then you don't actually have to think through the statement at all or risk running into anything that might contradict the idea.

Having been through the graveyard of dead 'catchup' content and witnessed so many cycles of Blizzard's repeated attempts to figure out engaging gearing paradigms, though... I'm not about to buy the idea that it is so very simple.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

The cool thing about a statement like 'anything would be better than the current gearing situation' is that then you don't actually have to think through the statement at all or risk running into anything that might contradict the idea.

Having been through the graveyard of dead 'catchup' content and witnessed so many cycles of Blizzard's repeated attempts to figure out engaging gearing paradigms, though... I'm not about to buy the idea that it is so very simple.

I think they are advocating g for a return to the old coil gearing method. Random drops and no books. Instantly increases raid longevity!

[Amenara]

The cool thing about a statement like 'anything would be better than the current gearing situation' is that then you don't actually have to think through the statement at all or risk running into anything that might contradict the idea.

Having been through the graveyard of dead 'catchup' content and witnessed so many cycles of Blizzard's repeated attempts to figure out engaging gearing paradigms, though... I'm not about to buy the idea that it is so very simple.

Well the current system in WoW he talks about where you do content, get gear upgrade that gear with tokens you get from doing content. When you find a better piece in that slot it will have reduced upgrade costs till it gets to the tier that your previous piece of gear was at. WoW also has dungeon drops upgrade to a higher ilvl depending on what patch the game is on, so the base ilvl drops from like heroic dungeons at level cap will go up as the ilvl goes up with new patches. It lets you pretty easily hit the new baseline to do the new content or at least a good starting point for it. Plus with the last major patch the story quest and quests in their new zone gave you a baseline set of gear as well to start upgrades on and to help you get into content without necessarily needing to go through a massive loot treadmill to do anything.

Obviously the dungeon part gets a little weird as FF14 doesn't really do optional dungeons anymore other than the 2 extra level cap dungeons in the x.0 patch and dungeons unlock as the story moves on in subsequent patches as opposed to WoW just having all of their dungeons scale up to level cap as you level so there is no real way to replicate how they approach that aspect. I like Xenos idea about letting Alliance raids drop equivalent ilvl as savage raids to provide alternate gearing (a basic level of horizontal gearing) or catch up gear and with it coming out 4-5 months after the tier has been going on it doesn't affect savage raiders and the loot is limited at release anyway.

[FenyxRising]

The cool thing about a statement like 'anything would be better than the current gearing situation' is that then you don't actually have to think through the statement at all or risk running into anything that might contradict the idea.

Having been through the graveyard of dead 'catchup' content and witnessed so many cycles of Blizzard's repeated attempts to figure out engaging gearing paradigms, though... I'm not about to buy the idea that it is so very simple.

I wouldn't take anything from you seriously after you said you were good at " Cleric Stance " without any Savage clears during HW, it honestly sounds like you just hate every form of skill expression.

Well the current system in WoW he talks about where you do content, get gear upgrade that gear with tokens you get from doing content. When you find a better piece in that slot it will have reduced upgrade costs till it gets to the tier that your previous piece of gear was at. WoW also has dungeon drops upgrade to a higher ilvl depending on what patch the game is on, so the base ilvl drops from like heroic dungeons at level cap will go up as the ilvl goes up with new patches. It lets you pretty easily hit the new baseline to do the new content or at least a good starting point for it. Plus with the last major patch the story quest and quests in their new zone gave you a baseline set of gear as well to start upgrades on and to help you get into content without necessarily needing to go through a massive loot treadmill to do anything.

Did you think Sindele actually watched the video ? No, she just puts down everyone's ideas and acts mightier than thou but really she cannot come up with anything herself either.

[NailBach]

bullshit takes from another bs youtuber, obviously devoured by OP

[TaleraRistain]

This person seems very ultra high end focused and that seems to be coloring their perspective on the game and what it should be.