Zepla: Endwalker is the Worst FFXIV Expansion I have played

[remiff]

Why would I trust the opinion of a mediocre content creator whose gripes with FF14 are entirely self-inflicted? No one asked for that 26 minute rant video, Xepla, everything you feel is entirely your own fault.

Nobody said you have to take everything she says in her video as gospel, but there's nothing to suggest that she's the only one feeling this way about FF14 and that her feelings are solely her fault.

You certainly haven't read some of the points that some people, including myself, have raised about a shared feeling with her, without necessarily watching Zepla's content.

After all, it would be unfair to hold it against you, given that the threads has completely gone off the rails.

[Rolder50]

I think the bustling activity on the thread kind of proves the original point. After all, if people had stuff to keep them busy in game, they wouldn't have time to argue on the forums!

[Lauront]

I think the bustling activity on the thread kind of proves the original point. After all, if people had stuff to keep them busy in game, they wouldn't have time to argue on the forums!

Especially for some people who say they just post while waiting for dungeon queues etc... those must be some pretty lengthy queues given the posts in question.

[PaulH]

I think that's quite the stretch. You don't really know anything about individual posters that you're making assumptions about in terms of their age, education level and which country they were raised in.

To say nothing of the fact that there's plenty of individuals who are essentially 'self taught' and pretty intelligent/eloquent despite not having a piece of paper from a fancy university.

It's also a video game at the end of the day, so a lot of people deliberately don't treat discussion of it as something to take extremely seriously absolutely all of the time. Especially when there's a historic trend of silence from the community representatives who - in an ideal world - would be active participants in the discussions themselves.

Please stop making me nod in agreement and I do like your very articulated and considered responses as I have mentioned before, please try and refrain from taking forum breaks

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Meanwhile a streamer I don't watch caused a forum post, so listened to it along with the the follow up. She has an opinion which is as valid as anyone else, whilst a streamer and making a living from it I did take that into consideration whilst drawing my conclusions. I agreed with some of what she said it and disagreed on other points she mentioned. When this game based on my own personal measure of simply when the fun stops, stop. Now Theodric doesn't share my love of G'raha in fact I would say the very opposite, won't speak for him though, but doesn't stop me reading his thoughts and considering his perspective to keep myself informed and see another view and always in the spirit of good banter. In fact if we chatted about at e.g. fanfest, it would be a great conversation and I would part from it having had a good chat.

I do hope though very unlikely that these posts do cause some conversation and debate back in HQ and with those specifically involved in the game, though any outcomes are impossible to please all parties I suppose.

[Vahlnir]

Challenge for you - pull up Zepla's video and watch it again. Put Ren's post to the side so you can compare.

Which is the long winded one?

It could take less time to read Ren's posts, yeah. That doesn't mean that everyone has the desire to. Personally, I can enjoy a lengthy read so long as I'm not trying to navigate some pretty serious mental gymnastics or if there's actually a point to be made. I'm not talking about Ren specifically there, only in general. Still, that is comparing apples to oranges. The arguments that both of them have put out there are nothing alike.

[Striker44]

Ok so, just for you, you say complete in 3-4 weeks. What content in EW holds over for 2-3 months? What content is going to hold over for 6.5-7.0? And you say, once you have done that, you point to a proverbial laundry list of stuff... from previous expansions?! That's what is being argued! There's nothing to hold long term interest in EW so, for people who are current, we either have to go back to previous expansions to find content or we just hang about or we just not login. The game design in EW patches has been sub-par and, my personal view, nothing seen yet (and yes, understand early days) in DT speaks to any real kind of change of course.

See, thank you for proving my point. This is why you don't get useful feedback, because you either just ignore it, attack the people providing it, or stuff lies in people's mouths and then attack them for it. For the record, my "laundry list" also includes the latest Variant Dungeon and Island Sanctuary, both of which are from EW and which I haven't started yet. I didn't even think about the new deep dungeon. But hey, I happened to pick one particular thing that's from a past expansion, and you immediately claim that's my entire list and then try to jump down my throat for it...and then you wonder why the doomsayers on this forum are ignored by anyone who actually matters (i.e. the dev team).

[BaconBits]

Of all the things going on in here, Jojoya getting ragdolled along with Renathras was definitely one of them lmao.

[Supersnow845]

Of all the things going on in here, Jojoya getting ragdolled along with Renathras was definitely one of them lmao.

To be fair jojoya generally holds opinions that I don’t agree with but is mostly respectful, but defending quite possibly the longest post I have ever seen of ren’s with “we are just smarter than you” was always going to be a recipe to get dogpilled

[Saraide]

New challenge: watch the video and shorten it as much as possible without losing viewpoints.

[Vahlnir]

Of all the things going on in here, Jojoya getting ragdolled along with Renathras was definitely one of them lmao.

I'm guessing both of their next series of posts are about to get particularly spicy.