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    Player JamieRose's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexiaD View Post
    Yes because FFXIV is a singleplayer game right ? Oh wait it isnt
    Really? I've done quite a lot as someone who is mostly an independent player and prefers to keep to themselves. Not everyone is a social butterfly, you know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JamieRose View Post
    Really? I've done quite a lot as someone who is mostly an independent player and prefers to keep to themselves. Not everyone is a social butterfly, you know.
    You're playing an MMO my dude, maybe dont play an MMO if you dont like people ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormpeaks View Post
    no one asked
    Must be a slow day over at Asmongold's subreddit is Ms. Hot Take is dropping another reaction bait video
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiaDeem View Post
    Unless she brings these issues directly up to Yoshida's face, videos such as these don't really mean anything.
    Videos like this are symptom, indicating that community malcontent has progressed to a new stage.

    While a video like this may have no impact on the game itself, effects on the community can certainly be more substantial. In other games that have gone into decline, you'll frequently see it heralded by a deluge of videos like this, where people who were once champions of the game change tunes and become uncharacteristically critical.

    FFXIV's recent success is largely the result of it inheriting players from one such game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexiaD View Post
    yall are doing unpaid work for him.
    It's people like you that often remind me why I shouldn't bother with the Forums... I've voiced my personal grievances with the game in the past, and I try to be as reasonable as I can, but it doesn't really matter when some people have this kind of attitude. Whatever...
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  6. #76
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleImp View Post
    Videos like this are symptom, indicating that community malcontent has progressed to a new stage.

    While a video like this may have no impact on the game itself, effects on the community can certainly be more substantial. In other games that have gone into decline, you'll frequently see it heralded by a deluge of videos like this, where people who were once champions of the game change tunes and become uncharacteristically critical.

    FFXIV's recent success is largely the result of it inheriting players from one such game.
    Except one listened, WoW listened to its players, the proof is with the massive drop after they wanted to drop flying all together in new areas, money hit them and they had to change plans immediatly, but in FFXIV ? No need, people just eat it up and keep going on anyway, why would they even want to improve? And if people DARE complain, they literally get attacked for it

    Yoshi P doesnt need to listen to its players, he actually doesnt need to, because of its own community that will accept anything and everything and be happy with whatever they get.
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    I would say Endwalker has probably got the worst balance with respect to content and giving people a reason to actually log in for that expansion exclusively, at least when you compare it to previous expansions. It seems that they always go too far in 1 direction when acting on some feedback, e.g., if people complain about grinds, then the solution they seem to have is to strip grinds entirely. I think the only one we've had is the Wivre Mount and the fashion accessory?

    On a little tangent, I do see some irony in how the perception of content creators seems to change depending on whether people do or don't agree with them.
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  8. #78
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexiaD View Post
    Yoshi P doesnt need to listen to its players, he actually doesnt need to, because of its own community that will accept anything and everything and be happy with whatever they get.
    this doesnt make sense? if the current path of the game is going to kill it then the players wont accept it and leave? if they will accept it, that means he is giving the players what they want, and they are going to stay.

    either players do want something different and will quit or they dont and will be happy with the continued patch cycles.
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  9. #79
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexiaD View Post
    Except one listened, WoW listened to its players, the proof is with the massive drop after they wanted to drop flying all together in new areas, money hit them and they had to change plans immediatly, but in FFXIV ? No need, people just eat it up and keep going on anyway, why would they even want to improve? And if people DARE complain, they literally get attacked for it

    Yoshi P doesnt need to listen to its players, he actually doesnt need to, because of its own community that will accept anything and everything and be happy with whatever they get.
    Not really, it was the exact same thing in WoW. Until the player cataclysm (pun intended) that was Shadowlands you constantly had people, especially on the forums, pretending that everything is fine, the game is doing great and you're just a sad hater. The player numbers however painted a rather different picture until Blizzard couldn't ignore it anymore and had to listen.


    I expect things to go the exact same way in XIV. Certainly not now, but maybe in 6 months, maybe in 7.0, maybe in 8.0.
    If we're currently in XIV's "Warlords of Draenor" it might take until 9.0 for things to reach critical mass.
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    Last edited by Absurdity; 09-03-2023 at 05:22 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleImp View Post
    Videos like this are symptom, indicating that community malcontent has progressed to a new stage.
    Yeah, absolutely.

    I still wanna see the author take it directly to Yoshida when it matters. I used to play a lot of League of Legends back in the day, and we had this big thing when Riot removed Solo Queue and implemented a Dynamic Ranked Queue instead. People in the community were making videos about it, Gbay99 coming to mind. You know what he did when they brought him in for a direct conversation with the devs? He challenged them on the Solo Queue issue directly on camera in a reasonable and respectful way. Why can't we have the same with XIV creators and Yoshida?

    Didn't Preach challenge WoW devs before? Why can't Zepla tell all these things directly to Yoshida?
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