Let's talk about bot housing business

[Jojoya]

I didn't say multi-home owning was against Terms of service. Can you read? I accused you of hiding information because I strongly suspect that you're engaging in illicit activity to own all those houses. Also you could argue that buying out entire wards would fall under Nuissance behaviour of the terms of service, especially if you're deliberately depriving people of housing. I'll wait long than you, because I know you're just going to keep whatever "Facts" you have to yourself.

No one has to engage in illicit activity to be a multi-house owner. It takes only about 350 million gil to buy an entire subdivision. While you can't get it overnight, there are plenty of ways to earn that much gil through the usual ways to make gil without having access to a workshop or buying from RMT.

It's also not what is meant by Nuisance Behavior. But feel free to report multi-house owners for Nuisance Behavior and see what that accomplishes.

Stormpeaks and I are not on good terms. I'm one of those that dislikes multi-house owners for taking advantage of what the system allows while other players struggle to get a house but even I will tell you that Stormpeak's facts are solid while your assumptions are getting drawn from thin air.

Attacking the multi-house owners accomplishes nothing. If you want to see plots more fairly distributed, turn your attention to the dev team. They're the ones who set the rules for the system. If you want to see a bigger change to the system that would ensure every player who wants one house or even multiple houses can get them regardless of what others have, turn your attention to Square Enix. The corporation holds the budget strings and when those strings are tight, the developers can't accomplish much.

[Archeron]

No one has to engage in illicit activity to be a multi-house owner. It takes only about 350 million gil to buy an entire subdivision. While you can't get it overnight, there are plenty of ways to earn that much gil through the usual ways to make gil without having access to a workshop or buying from RMT.

It's also not what is meant by Nuisance Behavior. But feel free to report multi-house owners for Nuisance Behavior and see what that accomplishes.

Stormpeaks and I are not on good terms. I'm one of those that dislikes multi-house owners for taking advantage of what the system allows while other players struggle to get a house but even I will tell you that Stormpeak's facts are solid while your assumptions are getting drawn from thin air.

Attacking the multi-house owners accomplishes nothing. If you want to see plots more fairly distributed, turn your attention to the dev team. They're the ones who set the rules for the system. If you want to see a bigger change to the system that would ensure every player who wants one house or even multiple houses can get them regardless of what others have, turn your attention to Square Enix. The corporation holds the budget strings and when those strings are tight, the developers can't accomplish much.

I don't seem to understand why you think I care about the relations you may or may not have with other people on the forums, because I couldn't give a chocobos arse about the meta drama that goes on here, and I especially do not care who likes or dislikes Stormy, or you, or whoever else fancies themselves a clown in the local general discussion circus.

Nor did I say that it was nuissance behaviour. I said there may potentially be an arguement to be made for it being nuissance behaviour. Reading comprehension must not be something they teach you these days.

For the record, I will continue to point, and make a mockery out of multi-home owners. It's nothing short of selfish to hoard heaps of plots to yourself, and then tell everyone that they should go live in the Goblet.

Oh please, stop acting like every server in the game is Balmung or that this discussion revolves around NA. I'm on EU, Stormy is on EU, this thread is about an EU server. There is not a single server on EU one would have to transfer away from in order to get a house. Not even for a personal house. You are completely clueless if you think 5+ fc houses is even making a dent in the available housing supply.

I didn't realise that this was the EU forums... Oh wait! It's the English forums. Tough luck, but this discussion extends to all english speaking realms and worlds. I do not care where the origin of the complaint comes from. Also, where did I say that was going to make a dent in the housing supply? Thanks for putting words in my mouth.

Yeah you're a troll at this point, I am done responding to you, you talked about depriving people of houses, I proved you otherwise with actual proper evidence that you ignore, that's where our conversation is done.

If you're done talking to me I suggest you stop making replies to me. You can have my attention when you're willing to discuss the matter like an adult.

Nowhere have I suggested that multi home owning is against ToS. I have only questioned the true intentions behind the people buying out entire wards. Twist my arguement as much as you like, my stance is that multi-home owners are selfish, and generally apathetic to the rest of the XIV community, and this thread does much to prove that point.

[DefaultMiqote]

Ouch! Why is it so hostile here? Can we all behave and have calm discussions?

I really don't like it when people buy out a lot of a ward! It feels really unfair, especially when the new home owners don't decorate their homes at all! I don't like the idea of people selling them for real money! I used to play a lot! But my house was demolished because I quit for a year! Oops. It's been really hard to get one back again, and I even play on Dynamis too!

[Sindele]

Quelle surprise, people are hostile and apathetic to the concerns of people who open the interaction with hostility and implications of illegal behavior. Truly, who could see such a thing coming, aside from everyone with a functioning sense of social awareness?

Ouch! Why is it so hostile here? Can we all behave and have calm discussions?

I normally find most 'toxic positivity' talk to be an overblown way of whining about not being able to rage on people in public. However...

... occasionally, it's a claim that has its merits. Insincerity's not so easy to hide as people like to think it is.. though it only rarely comes with a nametag on it.

[MrJadeOfStars]

Well if it's not against TOS for one person to own 50 houses, attack the reason that they feel the need to own 50 houses and that is submarines. Take away subs from housing, simple. It's what happens when people abuse the system. Give everyone access to subs through their Island, anyway how many of us that aren't FC leaders or their close friends see any of that wealth or get any of those sub only items?

Also don't try to mislead people by saying "350mil is so easy to make" maybe if you've been playing since day 1 and know everything about the market, when to buy, when to sell, what to sell or got in on op money farms like certain leves and such before they were nerfed. But most average players won't make that in a year.

[DefaultMiqote]

Quelle surprise, people are hostile and apathetic to the concerns of people who open the interaction with hostility and implications of illegal behavior. Truly, who could see such a thing coming, aside from everyone with a functioning sense of social awareness?

I normally find most 'toxic positivity' talk to be an overblown way of whining about not being able to rage on people in public. However...

... occasionally, it's a claim that has its merits. Insincerity's not so easy to hide as people like to think it is.. though it only rarely comes with a nametag on it.

You guys are behaving like a mafia! It's a fitting tag! This entire thread seems very hostile! I don't like the way you talk to people either. It's very degrading! I hope we don't meet ingame! xP

[Archeron]

You guys are behaving like a mafia! It's a fitting tag! This entire thread seems very hostile! I don't like the way you talk to people either. It's very degrading! I hope we don't meet ingame! xP

Welcome to the forums, you'll find nothing but whining, complaining, and people arguing in bad faith.

Adding the tag is pretty petty, it's best you stay out of these discussions.

It's not against ToS, but their intentions behind owning multiple houses are definetely suspect. It's only natural they blindly lash out at anything that threatens what they enjoy. But its an obvious move for me to suggest that multi home owning needs action taken against it, and needs to be made against ToS in the future.

[Sindele]

It's not a thread that warrants much in the way of kindness.

That said: I own more accounts than houses right now. I am no more "you guys" to them than I am to you, aside from having an understanding of how this kind of operation works.

Ultimately, it's a thread that gets posted seemingly quarterly by people with no interest in truth or things that even roughly resemble the truth, where accusations of RMT and botting are routinely leveled with zero evidence and even less care. It was never going to be a friendly party or even much of a discussion - this point has not just been settled, it has been settled conclusively to death for years, with ample evidence that SE knows precisely what is going on and will only take action when they're good and ready to. There is no real discussion left to be had - just a bunch of axes to grind and grudges to perpetuate.

[AlexiaD]

It's not a thread that warrants much in the way of kindness.

Ultimately, it's a thread that gets posted seemingly quarterly by people with no interest in truth or things that even roughly resemble the truth, where accusations of RMT and botting are routinely leveled with zero evidence and even less care. It was never going to be a friendly party or even much of a discussion - this point has not just been settled, it has been settled conclusively to death for years, with ample evidence that SE knows precisely what is going on and will only take action when they're good and ready to. There is no real discussion left to be had - just a bunch of axes to grind and grudges to perpetuate.

Pretty much this tbh, this discussion is going nowhere

[Archeron]

It's not a thread that warrants much in the way of kindness.

That said: I own more accounts than houses right now. I am no more "you guys" to them than I am to you, aside from having an understanding of how this kind of operation works.

Ultimately, it's a thread that gets posted seemingly quarterly by people with no interest in truth or things that even roughly resemble the truth, where accusations of RMT and botting are routinely leveled with zero evidence and even less care. It was never going to be a friendly party or even much of a discussion - this point has not just been settled, it has been settled conclusively to death for years, with ample evidence that SE knows precisely what is going on and will only take action when they're good and ready to. There is no real discussion left to be had - just a bunch of axes to grind and grudges to perpetuate.

There is ultimately no discussion to be had with either side in this. Multi-home owners are blind to reason, or the concerns of other people on their own servers, actual RMTers don't care either way and they'll continue selling houses on black market websites regardless of anything anyone on the general forums has to say, and Square Enix turns a blind eye to practically all of XIV's problems. In other news the sky is blue.