Let's talk about bot housing business

[Kaurhz]

Going nuclear wouldn't really resolve much.

If they could do it before, and they could do it now, then they would also do so after an apocalypse. - You don't remove the problem by doing a reset of it, you look at why people are doing it in the first place.

Granted, you would resolve those that have grandfathered, but it doesn't resolve anything else. It'd just happen again after the fact because many people are more inclined to make passive income via subs than craft mid-patches for peanuts. Crafting either needs to rival it (it never will because submarine source increases according to how many you do - The more you have the greater your income ) - Or they would need to remove the rewards so that it is less dominated by server-generated Gil rewards, and instead, the reward be elsewhere, e.g., exclusive mounts, minions, Orchestrions (To be clear I am not saying people shouldn't be rewarded at all).

[Jonsky]

I actually can, had to switch since out of posts.

By all means, please do. As I am clueless, I would really like to know how that was/is done.

Hmm, yeah...my claim of 300 seems a bit much, however during the time the housing lottery was introduced it was possible.
That number would certainly be much lower so perhaps if there were 10 bids per any random plot, a prospective multi-house owner would maybe get a handful of successful bids rather than half of a subdivision. I would see that as a win.

Going nuclear wouldn't really resolve much.

One can dream that it would. But in reality? Yeah...going nuclear would be akin to the ending of 1.0. The (next) best suggestion I've seen is to just hamstring the potential gains of the raw gil output of FC Voyages. Maybe remove vendor trash entirely? The rare minions and crafting materials seems more than enough reason to keep going with this style of content.

One person in Dyna made it pretty known they had 30+ to go for buying a large.

Ouch, that sucks. I expect that they used their profits from owning other houses to fund that. I do wonder how spread-out multi-owners can be if they had the chance to bid on any and all plots if they suddenly became available.

[AlexiaD]

By all means, please do. As I am clueless, I would really like to know how that was/is done.

Hmm, yeah...my claim of 300 seems a bit much, however during the time the housing lottery was introduced it was possible.
That number would certainly be much lower so perhaps if there were 10 bids per any random plot, a prospective multi-house owner would maybe get a handful of successful bids rather than half of a subdivision. I would see that as a win.



One can dream that it would. But in reality? Yeah...going nuclear would be akin to the ending of 1.0. The (next) best suggestion I've seen is to just hamstring the potential gains of the raw gil output of FC Voyages. Maybe remove vendor trash entirely? The rare minions and crafting materials seems more than enough reason to keep going with this style of content.



Ouch, that sucks. I expect that they used their profits from owning other houses to fund that. I do wonder how spread-out multi-owners can be if they had the chance to bid on any and all plots if they suddenly became available.

Once again, you seem to imply that multiowners have no clue about housing, I am not going to go in extra details because I dont see the point, but you wouldnt go for all the larges, mediums and smalls at once, you would scatter them, start with the most wanted large in the ward to remove competition, then the least liked larges, then the mediums, and then the smalls, over multiple cycles, probably 2 or 3, if the board was completely erased and it was a start from zero, people would just pile up on the other most popular plots over the few cycles, leaving you a clean slate to get the mediums and smalls over 2 or 3 cycles at most, 4 if lacking fcs.

[Jonsky]

Once again, you seem to imply that multiowners have no clue about housing

I do apologise, that wasn't my intention. I honestly just wanted to get a picture of how it's done and you have given me one, thank you.

[LianaThorne]

Ouch, that sucks. I expect that they used their profits from owning other houses to fund that. I do wonder how spread-out multi-owners can be if they had the chance to bid on any and all plots if they suddenly became available.

Could be one of many things imo: subs, rmt, market flipping, gambling. A friend of mine made 500m in a night just by death rolling xD

Just because someone owns multiple houses doesn't always equal RMT tho, if we're gonna be real. There are ways to make disgusting amounts just using ways the game offers. 8 chars on your server can net you like 8m-ish with levequests per 100 leves for example.

[Archeron]

I can personally find very few instances where owning multiple homes doesn't reflect poorly on the multi-home owner, where RMT is not immediatly suspect. The question that never gets answered; Why do you need 5+ houses? The only legitimate answers I have ever been given was for their use in a door to door roleplay district. That, I can understand. But to own so many of them for submarine farming? To impress people? Just because you can? It's not hard to understand why so many people are trying to buy up and hoard these houses when their RMT value, especially for mediums/larges on the OG servers are regularily listed for $800+ in RMT. Honestly I'd like to know literally any reasons multi-home owners have for why they need so many houses.

[Homeless_was_taken]

I can personally find very few instances where owning multiple homes doesn't reflect poorly on the multi-home owner, where RMT is not immediatly suspect. The question that never gets answered; Why do you need 5+ houses? The only legitimate answers I have ever been given was for their use in a door to door roleplay district. That, I can understand. But to own so many of them for submarine farming? To impress people? Just because you can? It's not hard to understand why so many people are trying to buy up and hoard these houses when their RMT value, especially for mediums/larges on the OG servers are regularily listed for $800+ in RMT. Honestly I'd like to know literally any reasons multi-home owners have for why they need so many houses.

Do you ask crafters why they craft?

[Archeron]

Do you ask crafters why they craft?

The difference with crafting is that it doesn't come at the expense of everyone else in the community, so no. Craft away.

People don't have the privilege to buy houses where they want anymore. Not after the lottery was implemented. If there are free houses on the server, they have no cause to complain.

And all EU servers + Dynamis have empty house plots next to each other that friends can get in all districts. Fc plots, the kind of houses you seem to think people are deprived of.

Again, my question goes unanswered. Why do you need 5+ houses? Why force people to move to servers, that they don't want to be on, away from their friends just so that they can have a house? Why should you be allowed to buy up multiple medium/large plots all for yourself? Do you have any reasonable explanation for wanting to purchase and hold onto houses for anything besides gil farming and rmt?

[Reinha]

Again, my question goes unanswered. Why do you need 5+ houses? Why should you be allowed to buy up multiple medium/large plots all for yourself? Do you have any reasonable explanation for wanting to purchase and hold onto houses for anything besides gil farming and rmt?

I don't need 5+ houses on servers with a severe lack of houses. If I were to buy more than 5 fc houses they would all be cottages in empty fc wards and it would be to make gil, so I could buy all the mounts and minions and music sold on the market board. That's perfectly reasonable, and harms absolutely no one. That's why.

Why force people to move to servers, that they don't want to be on, away from their friends just so that they can have a house?

Oh please, stop acting like every server in the game is Balmung or that this discussion revolves around NA. I'm on EU, Stormy is on EU, this thread is about an EU server. There is not a single server on EU one would have to transfer away from in order to get a house. Not even for a personal house. You are completely clueless if you think 5+ fc houses is even making a dent in the available housing supply.

[AwesomeJr44]

Again, my question goes unanswered. Why do you need 5+ houses? Why force people to move to servers, that they don't want to be on, away from their friends just so that they can have a house? Why should you be allowed to buy up multiple medium/large plots all for yourself? Do you have any reasonable explanation for wanting to purchase and hold onto houses for anything besides gil farming and rmt?

If you go for whatever house is available instead of only going for the best ones, you can easily get one with enough effort. Right now, it's not hard to get a house, even a good one. I got a great one on my alt with no one else bidding against me. How'd I do that? By bidding in the Goblet, where a lot of people don't want to. The only houses that you'd have to move servers for is if you want one of the best plots, like a Shirogane beachfront plot. And at that point, of course you're going to have a lot of competition, everyone else wants that one too.

As for why someone would want 5+ houses, the answer is obvious. They want them, and it's not against the rules to have them. I do think that the people who own entire wards are weird for doing that, but only 5ish houses? Not a big deal my guy.