I hate how we have to wait so long for new healers and tanks.

[ForteNightshade]

DPS are simly [i]vastly/i] more popular. Yoshida even outright admitted that being the reason they'll always add a new DPS going forward. To be perfectly honest, I have my doubts we'll ever see a fifth tank or healer added because they have no idea what to do with either of them. Tanks can at least be designed backwards with a DPS mindset but a new Healer is going to wrinkle up their new "Pure"/Shield balance.

[dspguy]

What is there left to add?
We have a reactive healer (WHM)
We have a proactive healer (SCH)
We have a mix of the two (AST)
We have a "do damage to heal" healer (SGE)

I know that's overly simplistic, but I'm not sure what other permutations we are going to find.

Tanks are nearly the same - just choose the weapon glamour you want. I don't know what else they can add there. I played two games with an evasion tank. In one, it put all other tanks out of a job until they nerfed it to hell. In the other, it didn't work in raid situations. A tank that evades 95% of time and gets 1 shot the other 5% of the time is just going to die anyway.

[cearka]

I stopped actively playing a long time ago. Then when they announced Dancer I had realllllllly high hopes for a heal/eva tank paradigm but nope. more DPS. recently I thought "I'll try getting back into the game if they bring in a new interesting tank." Once again, more DPS. why do we neeed sooooooo many dps classes.

[Semirhage]

Interesting statement considering that most DPS jobs in the game are way less braindead than the healers.

I think this pride is the only attractive thing left about playing healer: you can pretend you are cut from better cloth.

Healer's supposed to be the difficult multitasking role. In a game where they're well-designed. FFXIV healers are designed so you could put a keyboard in front of a chicken and it'd do alright. It's why I don't play them anymore.

[Eisi]

Healer's supposed to be the difficult multitasking role.

No it's not.

The fact that we are caught between

1. Healers have no meaningful ways to evolve anymore

and 2. Healers should revert to being the most integral part of the party who carry the highest amount of responsibility in even casual content and who are by definition a class that requires a party to even feel fun at all

is ridiculous to me. There are ways of evolving healers out of the boring, homogenized mess they are in right now without raising the entry bar or destroying any semblance of a functional class in solo-play. These need to be explored.

There is no bringing back the 90s and the situation we are in right now didn't come about for no reason.

[Koros]

Speak for yourselves. I still carry the candle for Stormblood AST, but SGE suffices in the meantime, even if it's got some rough edges.

Actual L take

[Koros]

The thing I love about Sage is, that when played well and/or with a halfway decent group, it just feels very smooth and efficent to play. I won't deny it is heavy on the dps mentality, but at the same time with how people like to cry and moan back and forth on opposite ends I can't say I blame SE for how things are.

You have people that take "Healers aren't supposed to be dps they're supposed to heal" to the extreme and then you have the opposite "if you're not healing you need to dps" extreme that likes to deface any little slip ups and inefficencies to the same extreme. Balancing a scale this volatile could test the paitence of the Moai's to say the least.

LMAO @ "SAGE IS HEAVY ON THE DPS MENTALITY" AHAHAHHAHAHAHA

[Supersnow845]

Are we still pretending “I can force eos to target the tank” is a form of DPS healing

[Supersnow845]

No it's not.

The fact that we are caught between

1. Healers have no meaningful ways to evolve anymore

and 2. Healers should revert to being the most integral part of the party who carry the highest amount of responsibility in even casual content and who are by definition a class that requires a party to even feel fun at all

is ridiculous to me. There are ways of evolving healers out of the boring, homogenized mess they are in right now without raising the entry bar or destroying any semblance of a functional class in solo-play. These need to be explored.

There is no bringing back the 90s and the situation we are in right now didn't come about for no reason.

I love how every time people are like “we need to fix x y and z thing about healers” just reverting them to HW/SB is always the way to fix every problem

With the increased personal mitigation and party mitigation the other roles have the healers have less responsibility no matter what form they take, the old healers didn’t have high entry barriers but they did have sky high ceilings

How did we get it so right then slide so far backwards

[Jkap_Goat]

I love the way FFXI roles are

Tank/ DD/ healer /Support

or just hybrids like FFXI red mage

FFXI bard is a support job but can DD really well