WHM healing question: Use Cure II over Cure?

[Supersnow845]

Remember guys we all know sylphies by choice are annoying as hell but this guy is legit trying to learn and the idea of choosing your heals based on your inherent knowledge of around how much they will heal/how much they slow the tank dropping is not something you know immediately or even something that you know to look out for in an attempt to learn how to do it

Sylphies spamming cure 1 in aetherfont are a joke but responding to every healer advice thread with “cure 1 is useless” doesn’t help anyone, come on even us constantly online jaded healer vets you are sick of brigading every thread with know that

I’m gonna put a disclaimer here, I don’t mean I think cure 1 is useful, cure 1 is useless, I mean if someone is saying “should I use cure 1 or 2 and help me understand why” responding with “cure 1 is useless” and nothing else isn’t helping them

[Koros]

Regen on the tank

Cure 2 Single Target

Medica 2 AOE

Benediction for emergencies on the tank

Lucid Dreaming at ~8k MP

If the tank is still dying, they need to learn to play.

You should quite literally never save Benediction for emergencies in leveling dungeons

[Renalt]

Remember guys we all know sylphies by choice are annoying as hell but this guy is legit trying to learn and the idea of choosing your heals based on your inherent knowledge of around how much they will heal/how much they slow the tank dropping is not something you know immediately or even something that you know to look out for in an attempt to learn how to do it

Sylphies spamming cure 1 in aetherfont are a joke but responding to every healer advice thread with “cure 1 is useless” doesn’t help anyone, come on even us constantly online jaded healer vets you are sick of brigading every thread with know that

But it's kinda true. The amount a non crit cure 1 heals is roughly the same amount if not more damage taken by the time the GCD can be used again. At best you are draining your MP to keep them exactly as they are and doing no DPS.

I rather Cure 2 once every 15 seconds than heal bot and spam cure 1 the very second the GCD is ready.

[RitsukoSonoda]

But it's kinda true. The amount a non crit cure 1 heals is roughly the same amount if not more damage taken by the time the GCD can be used again. At best you are draining your MP to keep them exactly as they are and doing no DPS.

I rather Cure 2 once every 15 seconds than heal bot and spam cure 1 the very second the GCD is ready.

I just give them the disclaimer beforehand that I don't actually have a medical license and am not a real healer. My profession is Necromancer/Undertaker... >.>

[Ivtrix]

Remember guys we all know sylphies by choice are annoying as hell but this guy is legit trying to learn and the idea of choosing your heals based on your inherent knowledge of around how much they will heal/how much they slow the tank dropping is not something you know immediately or even something that you know to look out for in an attempt to learn how to do it

Sylphies spamming cure 1 in aetherfont are a joke but responding to every healer advice thread with “cure 1 is useless” doesn’t help anyone, come on even us constantly online jaded healer vets you are sick of brigading every thread with know that

Nah, cure 1 is useless, remove it from your bar when you get cure 2

[Supersnow845]

But it's kinda true. The amount a non crit cure 1 heals is roughly the same amount if not more damage taken by the time the GCD can be used again. At best you are draining your MP to keep them exactly as they are and doing no DPS.

I rather Cure 2 once every 15 seconds than heal bot and spam cure 1 the very second the GCD is ready.

It’s not that it isn’t true, it’s that saying “don’t use cure 1” and then ending the comment there isn’t really helpful to someone who doesn’t understand why you shouldn’t be using cure 1 and wants it explained to them

Nah, cure 1 is useless, remove it from your bar when you get cure 2

Refer to above

[Koros]

It’s not that it isn’t true, it’s that saying “don’t use cure 1” and then ending the comment there isn’t really helpful to someone who doesn’t understand why you shouldn’t be using cure 1 and wants it explained to them

Here: Cure II is 800 heal potency per GCD and Cure is 500, and Cure II is 0.8 heal potency per MP and Cure I is 1.25.

That means if MP isn't an issue, using Cure II is more optimal since it heals for more per GCD. This is the case most of the time.

The edge cases where Cure I is useful is when MP is an issue, e.g. right after resurrection. If you don't have an instant-cast for whatever reason and just need to top someone off for a raidwide, Cure I is also actually often more useful than Cure II. This happens when you die and lose all your lilies but need to get a DPS topped off before a raidwide so that they survive it. The reason is because they only need a few hundred potencies worth of heal to survive the raidwide, and any extra is wasted (because you have group heals to top everyone off from 1% hp afterwards for example).

When triaging, Cure I can be useful, for example if you just got raised and need to raise your cohealer while making sure the tank doesn't die, and don't have Thin Air for whatever reason. 2400 + 400 MP is plausible but 2400 + 1000 is absolutely not. On other healers, particularly sage and scholar, this is even more important since they don't have Thin Air.

[PirateRyanG]

Nah, cure 1 is useless, remove it from your bar when you get cure 2

Or don't remove it from your bar. I saw somebody take that advice once, and then they loaded into a pre-Cure 2 dungeon and have nothing to heal with without fumbling about with their bars.

[Renalt]

I just give them the disclaimer beforehand that I don't actually have a medical license and am not a real healer. My profession is Necromancer/Undertaker... >.>

This is why we can be friends.

[Renalt]

It’s not that it isn’t true, it’s that saying “don’t use cure 1” and then ending the comment there isn’t really helpful to someone who doesn’t understand why you shouldn’t be using cure 1 and wants it explained to them



Refer to above

Ok now that makes sense. I agree. If someone is gonna take a stance they do need to explain their reasoning. There is a reason teachers ask you to "Show your work".