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  1. #61
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winterfang View Post
    The thing is that the team feels like a new expansion HAS to have new jobs to tote as a new feature and bring up hype for an expansion.
    I don't think they'll stop making new jobs, but maybe it's time to consider now only 1? Of course, doing so will bring up a pretty strong negative talking point about the state of the game, so one can only wonder what the team can do instead to potentially make up for lessening the amount of new jobs
    Yeah i get that. Its hype material, but i think the main, lets say side, point will be the graphics update for 7.0 so, guess we'll have to wait for future live letters and this months NA Fan festival (iirc). It might look dire at the moment but we don't have the data SE has so lets wait and see what they'll announce at the fan festivals :3

    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    I'm not even sure what kind of backhanded compliment you're trying to construct by calling them all blue mage jobs.
    Not sure if you understood my message correctly. Yeah i tend to be confusing sometimes, i get that. But i called 19 + blue mage jobs because blue mage may not be a full job at this time but its still a job so yeah. And the 19 others speak for themselves. And personally i don't like blue mage so i didnt continue. But thats on each and every one to decide what jobs they want to play right?
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    Last edited by Sorimachi87; 07-12-2023 at 11:08 PM.

  2. #62
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winterfang View Post
    The thing is that the team feels like a new expansion HAS to have new jobs to tote as a new feature and bring up hype for an expansion.
    You know what could really be exciting?.....Job Balance/Overhaul.
    If they said, we arnt making a new Job this time, instead we are going to be Working on Balance, and improving Job Identity with the current Jobs...that would be just as, if not MORE exciting.
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  3. #63
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso View Post
    You know what could really be exciting?.....Job Balance/Overhaul.
    If they said, we arnt making a new Job this time, instead we are going to be Working on Balance, and improving Job Identity with the current Jobs...that would be just as, if not MORE exciting.
    People are going to find a way to criticize, no matter what CBU3 will announce. But yeah thats what i hope to see too. Them being brave saying, hey we don't have a job this time BUT we'll rework balancing with the resources freed up with job creating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorimachi87 View Post
    Not sure if you understood my message correctly. Yeah i tend to be confusing sometimes, i get that. But i called 19 + blue mage jobs because blue mage may not be a full job at this time but its still a job so yeah. And the 19 others speak for themselves.
    Ah, right. That would be [19 jobs] + [blue mage], which is not grammatically the same thing as 19+ [blue mage jobs].

    English needs better ways of marking phrases.
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    Mystic Knight & Time Mage

    I know Necromancer is 99.9% impossible to happen with YoshiP around, but if it's possible, I'd vote for it.
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  6. #66
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso View Post
    You know what could really be exciting?.....Job Balance/Overhaul.
    If they said, we arnt making a new Job this time, instead we are going to be Working on Balance, and improving Job Identity with the current Jobs...that would be just as, if not MORE exciting.
    That won't be exciting at all, because that's what they do every expansion anyway, to different extents. New Shiny Things are what brings hype first and foremost, and no matter how hard they try to hype up overhaul of game balance, I doubt hype for that will ever be able to match hype for something like Necromancer or Rune Knight jobs being announced.
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  7. #67
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso View Post
    You know what could really be exciting?.....Job Balance/Overhaul.
    If they said, we arnt making a new Job this time, instead we are going to be Working on Balance, and improving Job Identity with the current Jobs...that would be just as, if not MORE exciting.
    It's what I would want them to do, because we really don't need another job that does 1-2-3 to build gauge, spend 50 on some bigger damage skill, buff itself every 60 seconds and have some kind of buff or big burst skill every 2 minutes. The design is utterly uninspired.

    But it isn't what sells expansions, hype does, having flashy new sparkle effects to mesmerize the easily impressed so they gush about it online does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vandso View Post
    Let's pretend this forum has a poll option. Only one vote, I'll update as you guys comment. My vote is for Geomancer.

    - Others (14 votes)
    - Spellblade/Mystic Knight/Rune Fencer (7 votes)
    - Geomancer (6 votes)
    - Beastmaster (4 votes)
    - Puppetmaster (4 votes)
    - Blitzballer (3 votes)
    - Necromancer (2 votes)
    - Time Mage (2 votes)
    - Chemist (2 votes)
    - Corsair (1 vote)
    - Gambler (0 votes)
    It DEPENDS ON HOW they are implemented and what role and if there are any major reworks to how roles play (*cough*Healers*cough*) or not.

    Chemist as a Healer is my number one pick (and was last expansion as well), if implemented well. But with the current Healer design and encounter design, I feel like they're not adding a new Healer for a while. So I'm torn between GEO and TI(me)M(age). Actually, no I'm not; since they wouldn't add GEO as splitting from CNJ (I'd LOVE that, honestly, so that SCH/SMN wasn't the only one that got to double dip...), Time Mage. Time Mage could have so many cool things going for it. I really don't think they'd add it, but I'd love to see it.

    Honorable Mention: Some Job that uses whips like Bart from Xenogears (probably a Ranged Physical) would be absolutely awesome.

    .

    My first choice is Chemist, second is Time Mage, and honorable mention is Bart from Xenogears: The Job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso View Post
    You know what could really be exciting?.....Job Balance/Overhaul.
    If they said, we arnt making a new Job this time, instead we are going to be Working on Balance, and improving Job Identity with the current Jobs...that would be just as, if not MORE exciting.
    To...some people, sure.

    Keep in mind that a lot of players don't do high end content, don't run parsers OR go to the forbidden website to even look at them. "balance" is irrelevant to large swaths of the playerbase who only do content where balance is irrelevant (DF ques and non-Extreme/Savage/Ultimate content), and often unimportant to many who do who have statics or are in PF-friendly DCs that aren't blacklisting Jobs, which is somewhat rare for most Jobs (a Job has to be pretty out of whack vs the rest to get the dreaded blacklist). That just doesn't resonate with a lot of people and would alienate a lot of people in the process. Like imagine if they said next expansion they aren't adding any Savage or Ultimate fights, they're just working to make Island Sanctuary more impactful and interesting. Sure, some people would love that, but a lot of people would not. Even some people that do IS a lot wouldn't care that much, and the people whose big draw to the game is Savage and Ultimate fights would have a total meltdown.

    That's what your suggestion would appear to be to a lot of players who don't care about high end balance or the high end encounters at all. While forums and theorcrafter minded people think current Jobs are bland and boring and a mess, it's pretty likely lots of rank and file players feel they're distinct and fun and interesting.

    I'm not saying this to be antagonistic, just saying that your view is not universal.

    "nuts and bolts" stuff is always less exiting to people than big flashy stuff. It's why PR and advertising works like it does. It's why politicians tout bit issues that don't really matter but get people's attention with a visceral reaction (pew pews, family planning, identity issues, etc) instead of things like serious policy proposals to deal with spending or debt or other important issues. The latter are technical issues that you start talking about and people's eyes glaze over. The former are hot button issues that light a fire under people to crawl through glass to come vote for you.

    For better or worse, this is reality: MOST people don't find technical issues to be interesting or exciting.

    "We're going t increase the size of the balance team and get Jobs even more balanced" isn't going to generate nearly the hype that a new Job would. There's just no way.
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    Last edited by Renathras; 07-13-2023 at 01:55 PM. Reason: Marked with EDIT

  9. #69
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso View Post
    You know what could really be exciting?.....Job Balance/Overhaul.
    If they said, we arnt making a new Job this time, instead we are going to be Working on Balance, and improving Job Identity with the current Jobs...that would be just as, if not MORE exciting.
    Hmm... actually given the way just about all their "overhauls" have been a way make large steps towards the homogenization of the game, I think saying job balance/overhaul would cause subs to drop as people will immediately assume all jobs will be removed and be replaced with just 3 jobs labeled, tank, healer, DPS, and 1 limited job in BLU. >.>
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    whatever they reveal is going to be another copy/pasted builder-spender burst DPS, I can tell you that much.
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