Yet another SMN thread: SMN is the only job that doesn't have a gauge/proc management

[Renathras]

I speak only for myself, but you're off the mark here.

That's fair, though it's pretty close to what I said, isn't it?

Visible difference, incentive to master, to get a clear people should rise to the challenge, skill improvement being part of games, and that people who "don't want" to improve (since you assume in that statement everyone has the capacity) shouldn't get to clear content...I said all those things, did I not? It seems the only point that I mentioned that doesn't fit your view point is the prestige of clearing content, but the rest...was pretty accurate, wasn't it?

I should also note that no one can master all 19 Jobs in the game in an hour. I'm not even sure they could master 1 in that timeframe (SMN and PLD probably being the easiest). And as for judging/toxic: The purpose here and now is understanding, not judgement.

Now, care to try your hand at this mutual understanding exercise? I expect you can better articulate - maybe - the views of the other side than Deo.

EDIT:

Lol.

Oh, to play at a base level DNC is absolutely easier.

BLM is absolutely easier to play than anything in the game if you just press Blizzard 3 til your MP is full then Fire 3 until it's empty. Likewise, RDM just casting Jolt-Thunder-Jolt-Aero and using their burst combo as soon as they get 50/50. The main difference is DNC's gap between floor and ceiling is lower/narrower than on BLM or RDM, so not playing DNC at 100% doesn't matter as much. And if you have a decent team, you buffing their damage allows their skill to carry you better - Jobs like BLM are selfish and can't rely on that, and Jobs with less support like RDM can't, either. If you ignore or haphazardly spend your procs on DNC, and mess up your step input (which has no real failure condition since you can just press the correct button during Simon Says and the wrong button doesn't do anything other than waste a little time on input), you're still going to do more damage than an "Ice Mage". DNC's skill floor of "vaguely competent/good enough" is absolutely more accessible, to be sure. Though MCH is pretty close to that with "1-2-3, use other things on CD" level of entry play. It just can't paper over non-optimal performance as well with a good party doing the damage for them.