Crystaline Conflict is the worst

[Ranaku]

That's a whole lot of assumptions mate. I never said any of what you just mentioned. I didn't put any thought into what would be a good solution but in no way does that mean I'm ok with how things are right now. My response is based on me not believing your fix would work.
And we can use how feasts turned up as an example of what ranked looks like in this game.

It was a more combined answer towards all of you, guess the edit didn't came quick enough through. My bad on that part.

I thought we already made clear that feast had its own problems. The problem with feast was the wintrading scene and that there were no rewards at all, not really that is. Besides the hellhound stuff but people never really cared about any of it. Feasts problem was also that people were not having fun in it, they just wintraded their way up and were done with it in a week. And that was it. Then feast was dead.

But CC has a steady stream of players, especially with the seasons bringing constant rewards into the pvp game. It is something the feast never had, especially for more casual players.

[Ransu]

Your source for what you want is your frustration so why should our feelings be any less valid then yours?
And solo would 100% be affected. There would be significantly less people playing it as a chunk would switch to premade.

If they tried doing this from the beginning when the content was new and actually booming, then I would be more incline to agree. But not at this point.

Duos are not a premade. Stop with this nonsense. I also find it funny that you all seem to think that if duo or trio queue's opened up in casuals that suddenly it would be nothing but "premades" in the queue. Most people solo queue in pvp in nearly every pvp game. SWTOR pvp is immensely more popular than this games and it allows full groups to queue and I rarely see premades.

[ThaCa]

Even if they had 100% record on stopping cheating whether that is actual hax0rs or win trading, it will still invite a very unique level of dedication that, imo, can be easily cynically described as "no-life'ing". It's at minimum either an unhealthy or unfair system or at worst both unhealthy AND unfair lol. They're just bad, and it's not because of their mechanics- it's because of people being people. Comparative systems for the fun of it, sure whatever- but they shouldn't be used for anything beyond a cute novelty.

People got top 100 on Light with only 13 wins last season, that's hardly no-lifeing. The level of play on a lot of DCs is low enough that even a fresh player can achieve it by dedicating time that it takes to Raid Savage and focusing on improvement.

The only time this system required any dedication was Season 1 when the player pool was massive and you couldn't keep your highest achieved score.

[Ranaku]

People got top 100 on Light with only 13 wins last season, that's hardly no-lifeing. The level of play on a lot of DCs is low enough that even a fresh player can achieve it by dedicating time that it takes to Raid Savage and focusing on improvement.

The only time this system required any dedication was Season 1 when the player pool was massive and you couldn't keep your highest achieved score.

That is really REALLY disingenuous of you, you basically turn the biggest flaw of the whole system into an fake argument for yourself. Yes there is one person which won 13 matches in a row then stopped playing CC cause they reached Crystal rank.

But could we also talk about the person which had to do over 400? Or many who needed over 100-200?

That is what i meant when i said it is luck based, you can get 13 good matches in the beginning and get into the top 100. Or you need to do 400 matches to reach something someone else gets with like 13-50. This is exactly the reason why i said that this pvp system isn't skill based, it doesn't matter how good you are cause if you get into bad groups you will suffer for it. There are literally players in lower ranks which won 2000% more matches than people in the Crystal rank. But i guess in your opinion they should've won just a couple thousand more to maybe get into crystal or maybe they just get thrown into bronze cause that's just how the game goes.

So please, don't use that cherry picked fake evidence as an argument.

[Coatl]

Feast let you party with a friend and it was a non-issue.

People here really talking about balancing what is essentially a joke mode..

[Fawkes]

Feast let you party with a friend and it was a non-issue.

People here really talking about balancing what is essentially a joke mode..

Feast died.

[Coatl]

Feast died.

..Because Crystal Conflict is its successor. People already are playing together by queuing at the same time.

Being able to play with one other person is not going to break CC.

EDIT: OP it doesn't matter because SE didn't disable being able to party with your friends for the sake of balance. They did it so they wouldn't have to deal with the myriad of players crying about it. Same reason you can't do something as simple as communicating with your party mates like any other MMO.

You have this whole thread as a testament to that.

[Mistress_Irika]

Let me see if I'm getting things correct:
You don't want an extra queue option added since there's apparently not many people to fill for what's being proposed.
So were discussing the whole point of premades being added in current casual queue for the sake of "fun". One side would rather play with a friend or 2 for "fun", and the other side is already having "fun" without premades. Overall, this whole argument is over "fun".

I'm going to attempt to do the impossible task of exiting and not looking back. This sort of argument over something subjective is why frontlines is borderline unplayable IF you're serious about the mode. I really don't see a difference between here and there. Changes being made to balance frontlines better only leading to acceptable afks, people only playing for objectives and avoiding fights, getting second place while being 37% away from goal and calling it good, and overall not caring for wins and losses, because it's already a win with how much experience points you're getting for a level up. All of that is acceptable since it's "fun". Smh...

This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but maybe queues should be further split, so that those small groups that actually care about playing with their friends can work on building around that queue. Either work will be put into that by the small group if implemented, or no work will be put into it to the point where it's not usable. Their choice.

[Ranaku]

Let me see if I'm getting things correct:
You don't want an extra queue option added since there's apparently not many people to fill for what's being proposed.
So were discussing the whole point of premades being added in current casual queue for the sake of "fun". One side would rather play with a friend or 2 for "fun", and the other side is already having "fun" without premades. Overall, this whole argument is over "fun".

I'm going to attempt to do the impossible task of exiting and not looking back. This sort of argument over something subjective is why frontlines is borderline unplayable IF you're serious about the mode. I really don't see a difference between here and there. Changes being made to balance frontlines better only leading to acceptable afks, people only playing for objectives and avoiding fights, getting second place while being 37% away from goal and calling it good, and overall not caring for wins and losses, because it's already a win with how much experience points you're getting for a level up. All of that is acceptable since it's "fun". Smh...

This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but maybe queues should be further split, so that those small groups that actually care about playing with their friends can work on building around that queue. Either work will be put into that by the small group if implemented, or no work will be put into it to the point where it's not usable. Their choice.

If you are talking to me then no you don't get things corrects. I would very much like an extra queue option for groups, what is proposed by the others is allowing 2-3 people to form a group and enter solo queue. Which would totally annihilate the enemy.

So yeah, queues should be further split. The balancing and all of that is in the end SE job, i just made this thread cause i know me and many pvp players would really like being able to team up.

[Nanne]

Feast was dead for vastly different reasons, mostly the horrendous wintrading scene.

Light/Chaos has had more wintrading in 4 seasons of CC than 20 seasons of Feast. And in Feast the few wintraders at least in EU got banned meanwhile the ones that did it multiple times in CC are still playing without any penalties