When is SCH’s turn?

[Teno]

Sage is scholar 1.1, it's a minor iteration on an existing job in practice. But the whole role has been bad for years at this point.

If only they could give back even ARR gameplay, which had infinitely more depth than the current sch iteration.

And the devs have shown that they can do great things with the gameplay, see sage in pvp for example, which is what many players want. Do damage, get shield. Break shield, get strong damage. The interactions are perfect.

If only they didn't have whatever constraints they have for pve...

[SweetPete]

Selene removal makes me think they'll either revamp the entire fairy system or just remove it altogether to the point where it's gonna sit there and do nothing, like SMN pet. Then we will "summon" the fairy to do the actual job.

I actually said this in someone’s else post and they told me they would never do that. I wholeheartedly believe they would.

[Sebazy]

SCH died in my eyes when SE removed the player's ability to micro manage the fairy's own GCD.

Now it just feels like an in-cohesive box of disjointed and disorganised systems all lumped in together. I'd be well up for an overhaul at this stage.

[VictorSpoils]

Sage is basically the way better version of scholar to be honest. I guess that’s SE’s shield baby and you’re right they will give it all the love and just leave us scholars to rot. Shame.

SCH feels like it has both an identity crisis and an inferiority complex:

• Ruin/Ruin II/Bio/Bio II/Resurrection are reused ACN/SMN abilities
• Energy Drain's damage and HP restoration are negligible and it's a reused ACN/SMN ability
• Until it changes again, Biolysis is weaker than Eukrasian Dosis III at the expense of coming out sooner
• Physick reuses Cure I's audio and is a reused ACN/SMN ability
• Adloquium costs 100 more MP than Eukrasian Diagnosis and has a cast time (longer than Eukrasia's recast time and no shorter than both combined)
• Succor is the same as above, with the base heal being twice as strong
• Emergency Tactics requires a GCD heal unlike Pepsis
• Embrace requires the fairy to be summoned (Kardia doesn't cost MP or have a cast time), is interrupted by fairy abilities and Dissipation (only GCD heals interrupt Kardia), is more delayed than Kardia's heals, has a 0.5s longer recast time for only 10 more potency, and is only buffed by Seraph (Soteria has a 30s lower cooldown and stronger-potency heal if Seraphic Veil's barrier isn't consumed)
• Fey Illumination only buffs healers and only GCD heals (and not fairy heals), and reduces magic damage by 5% (Kerachole reduces all damage by 10% at 1/4 the CD and Holos does the same)
• Whispering Dawn has 60 more total potency than Physis I but requires its two additional ticks to achieve that and is more delayed because it's a fairy ability, while Physis II has more total potency, twice the range, and has an improved Fey Illumination tacked on
• Aetherpact is the only ability that uses the fairy gauge, it's not even twice as potent as Embrace (while still getting interrupted by other fairy abilities), and it requires an extra input to switch targets
• Seraphic Illumination and Angel's Whisper are only cosmetically different from the regular versions
• Consolation doesn't have an MP cost or cast time, but is weaker than Succor and the second charge has reduced effectiveness if the barriers from the first aren't consumed

Not bashing SCH fans, and if it still does fine in Savage that's great too. I remember how memed-on Expedient was after the job action trailer, yet it's probably the most satisfying action the job has, even after the nerfed speed duration.

[Voidedge_Ragna]

So far these updates gutted the fun out of jobs making them even more basic, i am not sure you want an update. Its highly likely AST will lose its RNG aspect like job specific cards and emblems because RNG in high end content can cause problems also decent chance macro cosmos gets nerfed because of how it interacted in savage with phoenix.

So yea ... be careful what you wish for.

[Osmond]

Man, my comment just got ppl to snap lmao lololololol. It's whatever. I'm not having a problem with the job. Playing it from ARR to now, yeah I want make myself suffer because I want big damage. Oh jeebus, I can't use eye for an eye anymore. Oh jeez I'm upset that I can't slab a 20% chance perk on a tank that give a short duration 10% mitigation, oh no ohhhhhh. Oh, I missed cleric stance, I'm furious I can't do 5% extra dmg. GIVE ME MY BUTTONS SO I CAN COMPLAIN OVER THAT TOO CAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT I WANT!!!

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Ideally, I'd like to see an overhaul. But knowing how SE have a knack of watering down a job more than spicing it up, I feel like I just can't trust them to do it right. It's literally the only reason why I have that slight reluctance to see a change happening, and it's not a good one.

You know there's something wrong when there are considerable amount of players dreading over an upcoming change rather than getting excited or neutral at all.

[GrimGale]

TROLL POST

Thank you for telling us what you want out of the forums.

[Sebazy]

Man, my comment just got ppl to snap lmao lololololol.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't see anyone else here typing in caps sir

[Semirhage]

I find it fascinating that the healer forums are reasonably quite specific about the design direction healer jobs should go in (if not the specific implementation details), and the Sylphies always cry "Square doesn't listen to you because you can't decide what you want!"

It's like they're reading from a script.