Counterpoint to all the Debbie Downers lately...

[CNitsah]

I'm up to date with all the content in the game I'm interested in doing and yet I still have things to do because there is content I enjoy repeating, usually with friends and FC who haven't done the content yet or want to start their mount farming, etc.

That's... exactly what I was trying to say. If you have to rely on older content to keep your player that have done the old content occupied, there is a problem with the new content. I didn't mean there was litterally nothing to do (I don't think I said that anyway), but that compared to the ShB patch, content EW patch kinda feel empty.

Since it's 2.0, they always gave us a lot of storylines during the patches, giving us several thing to expect in new patches. Now we have less of them, despite most of the content is still there. By making all the trials part of the msq, we lost the trials storylines. By Frankenstein'ing the relics weapon to the already existing Hildibrand storyline, we lost the relic storyline.

HW patches had 6 storylines : MSQ, Raids Alliance, Raids, Trial story, Relics and Hildibrand (I don't know how the Ydillshire reconstruction worked, so I didn't count it).
SB patches had 7 storylines : MSQ, Raids Alliance, Raids, Trial story, Relics, Hildibrand and Doman reconstruction.
ShB patches had 6 storylines : MSQ, Raids Alliance, Raids, Trial story, Relics and Ishgardian restoration/diadem.
EnWalker has 4 : MSQ, Raids Alliances, Raids and Hildibrand. You could add the Tataru quests (probably should add the shcolasticates quest in HW or post roles-quests in ShB then).

Content is still mostly there, yet with each patch it feels more empty. When you look at the the storylines we have no equivalent or replacement for, a lot of them are long running content (Relics - Or at least Eureka/Bozja, people ran that even when not doing the relics -, Doman reconstruction or Ishgardian restoration). Add to that that the new content we got did not have big longevity. Island Sanctuary ended being a management minigame that takes you 10 min a day at best after a few weeks, Deep dungeons is a reskin of older deep dungeons that were never really popular (Sky pillar can be a pain to get into) and Variant dungeon was nice, but you can easily complete it in a week if you take your time. I think that's part of the reason the reception of EW patches is lukewarm at best. There is not much to expect and to be excited about for 6.4 and 6.5.

We have a mmo based on story telling that "cut" long running content and the number of storylines it gives us. I hope it's because the ressources are allowed to redisign of old dungeon to make the msq doable in solo, the graphic update and the 7.0. If that's the case and it's one time thing, I'm fine with it. But if it's a new philosophy that will continue with 7.X patches, I think it might be a problem. Afterall, this IS a MMORPG and having long running content is part of the experience. It's not about getting Eureka/Bozja like content to do, but having something to return to on the long term.

[BaconBits]

No one here is allowed to brag unless they are officially forklift certified and can squat 450 like yours truly.

[MaxCarnage]

Both sides of the argument are acting stupid.

One side is saying that anyone who doesn't hate the game is a shill on copium who worships the ground Yoshida walks on, and the other side says anyone who has any grievance with the game no matter the size should either shut up or stop playing.

And then both sides have the gall to talk about the other's echo chambers.

People should be allowed to say they don't like something without being insulted. People should be allowed to say they like it without being insulted.

And please, can we stop making new threads talking about the same exact thing? Cause it's always the same people saying the same ish in all these threads. They're going no where.

If you're going to discuss, it's easier to do so in 1-2 threads, not 8-9.

Also, it's okay to have different opinions! No need to insult each other over it.

[Renalt]

I think one day when they are older, those who spend a LOT of time on this will probably regret time spent in that way.

Anything done in enjoyment is time well spent...for better or worse.

The people who play and enjoy OR the people who complain compulsively...if they enjoy doing either thing...time well spent for them.

[TowaIsBestGirl]

Sometimes I wonder if it was a mistake to come here, sheesh. I haven't seen very many posters on either "side" (God I hate that terminology) be particularly polite or cordial to one another. The atmosphere here is actually quite stifling, in fact, and very few of you guys are making it any better so I do find myself perplexed at just where any motive for moral grandstanding and soapboxing stems from. I get that negativity is terrible, and maybe both sides are responsible but nothing is going to change if no one steps up and everybody resorts to pointing fingers and both-sides-isms instead.

Regardless, so long as people can refrain from attacking the argument and not the person I really don't see where this aversion to critique comes from. Criticism is necessary for a healthy game, without such it won't improve and begin to stagnate or even deteriorate.

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Absimiliard is right in this case, OP. This thread could have been an extolment of how much you enjoy Final Fantasy XIV and leave it at that, and nearly no negative engagement would have been had. But instead you chose to undermine your own credibility and argument and have the second half make denigrative insinuations about large swathes of posters. True or not, is it truly so surprising to see them defend themselves? This is standardized human behavior, it's correct and normal. You invited your own enemies, OP. You are the one who flung wide the gates here, not them I regret to inform you.

You sure do. Anyway, now that you've lowered yourself to an attempt at a personal insult and have demonstrated yourself to be rather rude, I will be blocking you. I have a policy not to interact further with this type of poster.

I don't really get this behavior either. If you're blocking them, they won't be able to respond or see your posts so why mention it? It seems more braggadocios than anything else. Besides that, you are being as antagonistic as they are with the "Well, you cared enough to respond" post.

Weak and fragile. Pathetic creatures.

This doesn't exactly help your case. Frankly there are better ways to phrase a similar critique without coming off as inflammatory.

[Renalt]

Sometimes I wonder if it was a mistake to come here, sheesh. I haven't seen very many posters on either "side" (God I hate that terminology) be particularly polite or cordial to one another. The atmosphere here is actually quite stifling, in fact, and very few of you guys are making it any better so I do find myself perplexed at just where any motive for moral grandstanding and soapboxing stems from. I get that negativity is terrible, and maybe both sides are responsible but nothing is going to change if no one steps up and everybody resorts to pointing fingers and both-sides-isms instead.

Regardless, so long as people can refrain from attacking the argument and not the person I really don't see where this aversion to critique comes from. Criticism is necessary for a healthy game, without such it won't improve and begin to stagnate or even deteriorate.

I agree that both sides are annoying. The neutral/grey area is much better. Not many reside in that section though.

[Absimiliard]

they won't be able to respond or see your posts so why mention it?

Respond, no; see, yes. Blocking someone simply prevents you from seeing what they post. You'll even still see the posts of people you've blocked in the event they're quoted by someone else.

[Boblawblah]

Sometimes I wonder if it was a mistake to come here, sheesh. I haven't seen very many posters on either "side" (God I hate that terminology) be particularly polite or cordial to one another.

Trust your gut on this one. The more you read both sides, you'll start to see there is no civil discussion to be had in terms of criticism vs good things (there ARE exceptions obviously). Negative threads will see people defending the game, and positive threads will see people attacking the game. The only way to win is to not play, hence a number of us simply blocking the 'other side' if you will.

[Denji]

if there's 1-2 threads whining, then they're just whining.

if there's over a dozen, there's a problem.

square can pay for better PR. you don't need to do their job defending them for free.

[Renalt]

Respond, no; see, yes. Blocking someone simply prevents you from seeing what they post. You'll even still see the posts of people you've blocked in the event they're quoted by someone else.

I thought that too for a while but I've blocked a number of people recently and it seems the ones that quote the ones you wanna block are the ones in the same group. It's like cancer. It comes back unless you cut it all out.

Once you do though...the road to recovery is quick.