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    Renalt El'doran
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    Sadly all the MSQ stuff is so easy it doesn't require you to do anything but bare minimum. There is no reason to get good if even your worst is enough to some people.
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    Celine Aurora
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renalt View Post
    Sadly all the MSQ stuff is so easy it doesn't require you to do anything but bare minimum. There is no reason to get good if even your worst is enough to some people.
    Came here to post this

    People will get the dungeon clear, the MSQ trial clear, even the Alliance and normal raids clears; they are not punished for not playing their job correctly, or for playing it on an incredibly low level... why would they read a guide? Why would they ever notice Freecure fishing is bad when they keep doing it and tanks keep tanking because a geared tank can clear most dungeons on level solo?

    It is 100% a problem of the game not being more exigent on content.

    As for the SAM question, iirc no, it doesn't require to do anything. Some job quests give rotational hints, I played RPR recently and the job mentor basically lays out for you the main rotation flow and positionals in chat while you're fighting, but SAM doesn't do that, it gives you enemies and you can do them "correctly" or faceroll and struggle, and maybe wipe and do them on very easy. I might be recalling the first fight wrong though.

    As for my TFDF, I have encountered bad no mit tanks and bad low thoroughput heal spammers, and it's never been a problem enough to call them out. Because again, the clear was guaranteed, it's not my job to teach anyone how to play, and in a dungeon where we're busy running from one pull to the next, starting an argument wastes more time than just doing the pulls "incorrectly". The most i've done was recently in LotA, I saw lots of Doton so threw a "Doton on single target is a dps loss" in Alliance chat once... Iirc it worked!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celine_Aurora View Post
    As for the SAM question, iirc no, it doesn't require to do anything. Some job quests give rotational hints, I played RPR recently and the job mentor basically lays out for you the main rotation flow and positionals in chat while you're fighting, but SAM doesn't do that, it gives you enemies and you can do them "correctly" or faceroll and struggle, and maybe wipe and do them on very easy. I might be recalling the first fight wrong though.
    SGE also does try to teach you the basics, Lalah is set up to be your designated Tank, and the game will outright demand you to perform some basic actions like set up Kardia on her, but that's the extent of it, at no point the game tries to have her say "Hey I don't need healing right now so you should try to attack as much as possible, don't worry I got this." or anything like that, it also has that on the second quest, you can pick up SGE and walk away from her, and not be negatively impacted by that in any way until you are level 80 at which point you would need to complete the questline for Panhaima.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celine_Aurora View Post
    Some job quests give rotational hints, I played RPR recently and the job mentor basically lays out for you the main rotation flow and positionals in chat while you're fighting, but SAM doesn't do that, it gives you enemies and you can do them "correctly" or faceroll and struggle, and maybe wipe and do them on very easy. I might be recalling the first fight wrong though.
    I was really impressed with that in the RPR quest, especially how she even explained positionals.

    As to the OP, I think it's both. You will get a random person who isn't trying but most people out there are and there are some small things like the RPR quest the game could do to help. People also forget that rotations aren't something the game comes up with. The community crunches numbers and then puts out the one true rotation. I think the most we're ever going to see from the game itself is something like the RPR quest, where she explains the abilities and what they do and how they can work together, but doesn't outline a full rotation.
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