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  1. #81
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    VelKallor's Avatar
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    Vel Kallor
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    Right back at you. You like to act like you're the voice of the people here\
    Unlike a few people, I dont claim to speak for anyone but myself

    Viz: this by comparison:

    Everyone but you.
    (2)

  2. #82
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    Matthieu Desrosiers
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaleraRistain View Post
    I felt like it was pretty explicit at least in English. After Alphinaud says "We are disbanding the Scions of the Seventh Dawn", Tataru comes in and they speak briefly. Then when his internal monologue continues he thinks "At least...that is what the story will be." Not sure if people tuned out after Tataru appeared or what but they're definitely not disbanding. They're telling everyone they did.
    It's not that people missed it. A lot of people have been weary of the Scions for quite some time, so the moment that it was presented as a possibility that the organisation would be disbanded and the Scions would go their separate ways it caused a sense of relief. It doesn't matter that in the next few sentences it resulted in a 'just kidding' moment - because that doesn't change how a lot of people are still very tired of the characters in question.

    All of this has been explained many times across multiple threads already, though. Only for the same posters to come back time and time again with the bad faith insinuation that they weren't paying attention or that the game isn't Game of Thrones (as if that's the only setting in existence to ever kill off a major character).

    Most settings these days are so terribly boring and predictable because 'superfans' latch on to specific characters, demand that they be cast in perpetual plot armour and never meaningfully change. Worse yet, these are the same people who will not even tolerate a single bone being thrown to people with different tastes to their own - as seen with the complete meltdowns from some over a character so much as looking at their Warrior of Light the wrong way. Then they wonder why some of us are bored of the Scions...
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    Last edited by Theodric; 04-30-2023 at 10:41 PM.

  3. #83
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    Ten years. That is how long they had to make something of these characters and to be fair, it seemed that they were going somewhere back in Shadowbringers only for Endwalker to bring utter and complete stagnation on all fronts. With each passing day it seems that Shadowbringers really was nothing more than a lucky accident, as evidenced by everything else that transpired in the base 6.0 MSQ.

    You cannot hope to carry FFXIV for 10 more years with this cast if it remains as is - ungrowing, unchanging, and at best learning the same bluntly forced lessons over and over again while any former grit and seriousness is stripped away so that the junior writers feel confident enough in making jokes every so often.

    Everything really did go off the rails once Maehiro moved on to FFXVI. At least he was aware that at some point a character has served their purpose and can be retired and looked back upon fondly like Ysayle. Instead the current powers at be are eager to shove sparkly eyed burger eating G'raha Tia in our faces and (original oc please do not steal) Zero wondering what a friend is as if we really needed a subplot pulled straight out of a care bears movie in the MSQ.

    At least those of us who have the mental fortitude to accept writing aimed at more adult gamers can find some solace in FFXVI - from the now famous moment mid-fight where Benedikta kicks Torgal across the roof of the castle they're fighting on to the following scene that I will be putting in spoiler tags, as it could be considered heavy spoilers for the game. Tension. Drama. Loss. Things we used to have in this game but all of it sacrificed on the altar dedicated to goofy slice of life antics and Loporrits.





    (4)
    Last edited by aveyond-dreams; 04-30-2023 at 11:32 PM.
    Авейонд-сны


  4. #84
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    I hope those who agree with this thread end up just skipping the story out of spite when the Scions return in 7.0 so we can not see anymore troll hate threads when the new expansion hits.
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  5. #85
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    Quote Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams View Post
    Ten years. That is how long they had to make something of these characters and to be fair, it seemed that they were going somewhere back in Shadowbringers only for Endwalker to bring utter and complete stagnation on all fronts. With each passing day it seems that Shadowbringers really was nothing more than a lucky accident, as evidenced by everything else that transpired in the base 6.0 MSQ.

    You cannot hope to carry FFXIV for 10 more years with this cast if it remains as is - ungrowing, unchanging, and at best learning the same bluntly forced lessons over and over again while any former grit and seriousness is stripped away so that the junior writers feel confident enough in making jokes every so often.

    Everything really did go off the rails once Maehiro moved on to FFXVI. At least he was aware that at some point a character has served their purpose and can be retired and looked back upon fondly like Ysayle. Instead the current powers at be are eager to shove sparkly eyed burger eating G'raha Tia in our faces and (original oc please do not steal) Zero wondering what a friend is as if we really needed a subplot pulled straight out of a care bears movie in the MSQ.

    At least those of us who have the mental fortitude to accept writing aimed at more adult gamers can find some solace in FFXVI - from the now famous moment mid-fight where Benedikta kicks Torgal across the roof of the castle they're fighting on to the following scene that I will be putting in spoiler tags, as it could be considered heavy spoilers for the game. Tension. Drama. Loss. Things we used to have in this game but all of it sacrificed on the altar dedicated to goofy slice of life antics and Loporrits.





    I'm going to quote this as an example when people say "omg, people are just saying their opinion on the story without being negative towards those that do enjoy it. Leave them alone!".

    those of us with the mental fortitude
    aimed at more adult gamers
    care bears movie
    If you can't make your point without mocking/insulting others, then expect the same in return. You're a broken record. You're right, it's been TEN years. And you're still here.
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  6. #86
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boblawblah View Post

    You're a broken record. You're right, it's been TEN years. And you're still here.
    Ash from Pokemon has been the main protagonist for 25 years and people still want him back lol, so I have no idea what this "ten years" nonsense is all about.
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  7. #87
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazemon15 View Post
    Ash from Pokemon has been the main protagonist for 25 years and people still want him back lol, so I have no idea what this "ten years" nonsense is all about.
    It's code for "I don't like the characters". If it was an edgy white guy like Clive that dated females that were at least 8s, he'd be fine with it.
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  8. #88
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    Would like to see them age some more... grown up Allisaie? well the characters in general...

    IT seem like a stand still and years has happened since it was 1.0.
    (2)

  9. #89
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    Quote Originally Posted by Themarvin View Post
    Would like to see them age some more... grown up Allisaie? well the characters in general...

    IT seem like a stand still and years has happened since it was 1.0.

    Technically in game time all the things that happened between 1.0 and up until now have only been 1.5 years or less
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  10. #90
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    Hayk Farsight
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    Quote Originally Posted by Derio View Post
    Technically in game time all the things that happened between 1.0 and up until now have only been 1.5 years or less
    That's a lie. Between 1.x and 2.0 was 5 years alone.
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