This game is on a terrible state right now.

[Ishe-P]

I don't think 'play other shit' is a valid excuse for any MMO, to be honest and frank. A director who says 'yeah give Eldenring a try' or whatever is not very good at his job IMO, and isn't very receptive to ideas that could allow the game to evolve and change. This sounds controversial but I present evidence in how Shadowbringers and Endwalker went down, progression-wise. You could predict exactly the dungeon and trial-boss beats all the way up to level 89, and even at level 90 you could reasonably expect certain outcomes. A lot of laziness and complacency goes into this game's design, which is a crying shame because they could do so much and more. Criterion dungeons are the biggest example; Yoshi-P was clearly clobbered from out of no where with this request and in its implementation they had no idea wtf to do with it, because it wasn't in the formula. So we were left with really fun content that had shitty-af rewards; if they don't do anything with that on 6.4, 6.5, it will be clear to me at least that they will not be willing to change. I would also present the savage lockouts taking so long to unlock; that is frankly unacceptable. They need to look at their formula, check player feedback, and make sure they're on the right track with regards to their timing. It's completely unacceptable to abandon the game effectively for 6 months at a time. I for one will not resub, no matter what the expansion promises (hint: it will be 2 jobs perhaps, and then you get 10 more levels, with level x1, x3, x7, and x9 having something happen, you unlock x0, do some extremes, then wait for the raid tier to come out, which invalidates all your progress up to this point because f you, also be sure to keep running extremes for your mount you schmuck). If they do anything different, I'd be frankly surprised. Even narratively I just don't think I could give a damn.

[Striker44]

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Note: They do check player feedback. They look at engagement metrics they have on their own end. What they don't necessarily bother with is a couple dozen bitter dregs perpetually negative about everything on the forum here. This forum doesn't in any way, shape, or form resemble the reality of the larger playerbase.

Personally, I appreciate a director who believes it's okay for people to take breaks and play other games, rather than someone so obsessed with your time-played metrics that they make the game itself feel like a job rather than entertainment. I appreciate that I could do the main storylines in FFXIV with the latest patch, then flip over to Destiny 2's new expansion, have time to go play some old single-player games I enjoy (Warcraft II at the moment), and then rotate back to FFXIV being my main game when the next patch comes out. It's healthy to diversify that way.

[Deo14]

They look at engagement metrics they have on their own end..

Damn, DRK is the most played tank, surely that's because people like it, right?

Metrics can't solve everything, and you can't get feedback from general playerbase unless you implement ingame surveys. Feedback from loud minorities are all that's left.

I appreciate a director who believes it's okay for people to take breaks and play other games

I would appreciate director who puts MMORPG content into MMORPG, instead of one and done content more suited for some single player games.

[Stormpeaks]

Note: They do check player feedback. They look at engagement metrics they have on their own end. What they don't necessarily bother with is a couple dozen bitter dregs perpetually negative about everything on the forum here. This forum doesn't in any way, shape, or form resemble the reality of the larger playerbase.

Personally, I appreciate a director who believes it's okay for people to take breaks and play other games, rather than someone so obsessed with your time-played metrics that they make the game itself feel like a job rather than entertainment. I appreciate that I could do the main storylines in FFXIV with the latest patch, then flip over to Destiny 2's new expansion, have time to go play some old single-player games I enjoy (Warcraft II at the moment), and then rotate back to FFXIV being my main game when the next patch comes out. It's healthy to diversify that way.

"I rotate back to FFXIV being my main game when the next patch comes out"

For how long ? 3 days ? A week at most ? And then another 3.5 months until the next one, great game we have there, full use of the "just play other games but dont forget to keep your subscription up so you keep your house"

Why isn't it valid ? The formula has been set for a long time now. I find a lot of players (specifically on the forum) expect XIV to be the one and all game for them. Not just as an MMO, but their one game they play.

I don't defend YoshiP alot. If anything I criticise him more than anything, but the argument to unsubscribe or play other games, while terribly blunt, is just another way of saying that you should diversify your library and not expect any one game to be the one and all.

It's also ok to outgrow a game because it no longer satisfies what you're looking for. A lot of people struggle with that one, particularly imo with MMOs.

Or it's just lazy.

He wants people to play other games ? Sure, remove auto demo then.

[AwesomeJr44]

Note: They do check player feedback.

Alright, you got a laugh out of me, good job.

If not for the - quite frankly, creepy - cult that has formed around Yoshi-P it would never have been taken seriously. Interestingly, a lot of the people who echo it started the game years later and simply echo it without having been around themselves when it was first spoken.

And it never should have been taken seriously. It was a rather foolish thing for him to say.

I also don't think many people expect to be catered to 24/7 - there just isn't much in the way of content with staying power and depth,

^ This. There doesn't need to be enough content to keep people around 24/7 but a 'major' patch that we waited 4 months for shouldn't last a grand total of 4 hours.

[Shougun]

Alright, you got a laugh out of me, good job.

Strongly believe they listen to feedback (listen does not mean always copy/execute, naturally), my post count is a bit absurd but there are so many parallels to something I've wished for and seen at this point I can't believe anything else. Not light stuff either... That said I am also fairly patient and definitely notice there is some time between, which makes sense.

I've also seen other people's feedback represented. Naturally there is some variation from what is desired and delivered, which is good to some elements as they're the ones with the actual skillset to make the game and it is their game on top of that, but due to those changes may occasionally miss the original key of the desire. I feel people saying what they want to see with why can be helpful, usually I just see either one or none lol. On top of that it's not uncommon to see people desire something and then explain what / why and it doesn't really jive... so there is that too.

There is of course the potential they're getting the feedback for something someone wants and just patently disagree, whether that is for right or wrong choice it's something I've seen or at least felt- funnily enough due to the pipe line them listening to feedback but not giving feedback to players can be confused for "working on it but these things take time". "WHY U IGNORING ME" SE: "I'M NOT, UR BREAD IS BAKING, STAPH".

Anyways... I feel they care / listen, just maybe not at the timescale / speed someone is wanting or the idea hasn't convinced them is worth it yet. Still give feedback, and at this point almost exclusively make up my posts, because I feel strongly as such. Though it could certainly be enhanced if we had more back and forth communication, something Theo touched upon. There are somethings I've seen that are suspiciously and auspiciously similar to something I saw someone, or myself, wish for... a year or seven ago and it's like.. *snaps fingers* I recognize that lol.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Strongly believe they listen to feedback (listen does not mean always copy/execute, naturally), my post count is a bit absurd but there are so many parallels to something I've wished for and seen at this point I can't believe anything else. Not light stuff either... That said I am also fairly patient and definitely notice there is some time between, which makes sense.

I've also seen other people's feedback represented. Naturally there is some variation from what is desired and delivered, which is good to some elements as they're the ones with the actual skillset to make the game and it is their game on top of that, but due to those changes may occasionally miss the original key of the desire. I feel people saying what they want to see with why can be helpful, usually I just see either one or none lol. On top of that it's not uncommon to see people desire something and then explain what / why and it doesn't really jive... so there is that too.

There is of course the potential they're getting the feedback for something someone wants and just patently disagree, whether that is for right or wrong choice it's something I've seen or at least felt- funnily enough due to the pipe line them listening to feedback but not giving feedback to players can be confused for "working on it but these things take time". "WHY U IGNORING ME" SE: "I'M NOT, UR BREAD IS BAKING, STAPH".

Anyways... I feel they care / listen, just maybe not at the timescale / speed someone is wanting or the idea hasn't convinced them is worth it yet. Still give feedback, and at this point almost exclusively make up my posts, because I feel strongly as such. Though it could certainly be enhanced if we had more back and forth communication, something Theo touched upon. There are somethings I've seen that are suspiciously and auspiciously similar to something I saw someone, or myself, wish for... a year or seven ago and it's like.. *snaps fingers* I recognize that lol.

There are some things that I feel that people have been clamoring for years that have yet to be delivered but for the most part they do listen to feedback. Whether it be engine issues, or lack of talent in coding (they seriously need to hire better talent for this as I feel a lot of issues are completely possible) or they're busy with their own work schedules in other parts of this game etc. We just dont know what's going on behind closed doors to fairly make judgements but its certainly the easiest thing to do, as people like R041 or AwesomeJr or me have been doing.

Its all very tiring, and it'll continue to be tiring for both sides case. We need better communication on the NA side or heck since somebody pointed out how the JPN playerbase actually feels like they listen to the NA side more this just means they've been very lax with player communication. The only form we ever see is with LLs and thats not good enough.

[RyuDragnier]

Its all very tiring, and it'll continue to be tiring for both sides case. We need better communication on the NA side or heck since somebody pointed out how the JPN playerbase actually feels like they listen to the NA side more this just means they've been very lax with player communication. The only form we ever see is with LLs and thats not good enough.

It doesn't help that the JP fans can actually be WORSE than the fans in the west. The dev team have gotten actual death threats and harassment from players in Japan. They may have reached a point to where they feel it's safer for them to not say a damned thing.

[AwesomeJr44]

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I'd be a lot more trusting of SE's feedback processes if they showed signs of actually listening to feedback. Yoshi having a shocked or surprised reaction when given feedback that's been available for years isn't a good look. That doesn't tell me that the devs are reading feedback and disagreeing with it, that tells me that they are ignoring it outright. The devs seem very out of touch when things like that happen.

Aside of that, I'm definitely not opposed to more communication

Agreed. There definitely needs to be more open communication between the devs and the playerbase.

[Atelier-Bagur]

I'd be a lot more trusting of SE's feedback processes if they showed signs of actually listening to feedback. Yoshi having a shocked or surprised reaction when given feedback that's been available for years isn't a good look. That doesn't tell me that the devs are reading feedback and disagreeing with it, that tells me that they are ignoring it outright. The devs seem very out of touch when things like that happen.



Agreed. There definitely needs to be more open communication between the devs and the playerbase.

Wasnt that a reaction from a story thing and not from gameplay? You know...the thing that actually matters in an MMO?