This game is on a terrible state right now.

[SassyAssassin]

I didnt know me suggesting ideas in regards to dungeon and raids was "zero constructive feedback", but I guess it's funnier if you go "duh negative energy wow guys"

Yeah, I do have more fun than you clearly

[Stormpeaks]

Yeah, I do have more fun than you clearly

Thank you for proving my point that no matter if someone actually provides constructive feedback or not, it will always get denied by the white knights of this forum, including you of course.

Off to ignore you go

[NekiUno]

Thank you for proving my point that no matter if someone actually provides constructive feedback or not, it will always get denied by the white knights of this forum, including you of course.

Even know I am enjoyed this battle between Stormpeaks, R041 and SassyAssassin, I think yall have a point......to a degree

Constructive feedback is fine, in fact it is very necessarily in anything we do from going for new job or improving this game, both in the sense of your own gameplay to all of the things they added thought out the years...as long you actually did the content for it and not just spitball it or just trashing it for no apparent reason at all plus willing to give a proper reasons why it does not work and any solutions they might want to come up to better your experience. But remember what you like or recommend, maybe somebody else will not like it for different reasons but need to be respected. Same thing with White Knight as well, it is okay to White Knight as long you understand that everybody might not share your opinion but atleast willing to listen to them and maybe it will give you a better understand about it. It probably change your perspective about something that you might not even know about.

I been in this game for almost nine years now and that does not even count my time in 1.0, there is alot of things this game can get better from better job adjustments to even more customizations (third party apps has show it can be done) and maybe better graphic and UI too, maybe more lore and story as well. But it is those imperfections that make a good MMO great like how Warcraft and EverQuest great because they will always continue to improved their games even know they might have way worst than FF right now and their fanbase probably wants more as well or having constructive feedback about it (how long it took Blizz to start have cross factions guilds?). If you do not like it, just say why and if you like it, just say why as well. Let me be after that. Because at the end of day, it is our own opinions and each player will have to find their own answers about that.

[aveyond-dreams]

Even know I am enjoyed this battle between Stormpeaks, R041 and SassyAssassin, I think both of yall have a point......to a degree

Constructive feedback is fine, in fact it is very necessarily in anything we do from going for new job or improving this game, both in the sense of your own gameplay to all of the things they added thought out the years...as long you actually did the content for it and not just spitball it or just trashing it for no apparent reason at all plus willing to give a proper reason why it does not work and any solutions they might want to come up to better your experience. But remember what you like or recommend, maybe somebody else will not like it for different reasons but need to be respected. Same thing with White Knight as well, it is okay to White Knight as long you understand that everybody might not share your opinion but atleast willing to listen to them and maybe it will give you a better understand about it. It probably change your perspective about something that you might not even know about.

I been in this game for almost nine years now and that does not even count my time in 1.0, there is alot of things this game can get better out, from better job adjustments to even more customizations (third party apps has show it can be done) and maybe better graphic and UI too, maybe more lore and story as well. But it is those imperfections that make a good MMO great like how Warcraft, Runscrape and EverQuest great because they will always continue to improved their games even know they might have way worst than FF right now. If you do not like it, just say why and if you like it, just say why as well. Because at the end of day, it is our own opinions and the players will have to find their own answers about this.

If Yoship cannot even be bothered to play content as riveting as Island Sanctuary himself, as he has stated per his own words he hasn't touched it on his personal account, then I see no reason as to why I should subject myself to it before I can criticize something with flaws that glaringly obvious.

The same goes for many other things.

[NekiUno]

If Yoship cannot even be bothered to play content as riveting as Island Sanctuary himself, as he has stated per his own words he hasn't touched it on his personal account, then I see no reason as to why I should subject myself to it before I can criticize something with flaws that glaringly obvious.

The same goes for many other things.

Then you dont have to! Nobody forcing you to do Island Sanctuary and it will not affected me any way, shape and form but before you want to criticize the heck out it, just explain the reason why you don't want to it or don't say nothing at all.

At the end of the day, we can give opinions about what you should do or why we like or dont like this but the customer that is paying 12 - 16 per month is the final say and they will come up with their own opinion (FYI I like Island Sanctuary because it remind me of that stupid isle on the MOP that I can enjoyed plus I like farming sims)

[Incinerator2]

Constructive feedback is fine, in fact it is very necessarily in anything we do from going for new job or improving this game, both in the sense of your own gameplay to all of the things they added thought out the years...as long you actually did the content for it

I know you did not mention me but I would just like to say that this line of questioning has been directed at so many people, many of whom have actually engaged with a lot of content. Like ForteNightshade.

There is a huge middle ground between being a Limsa AFKer who didn't even do the MSQ and being rank 1 on lalachievements. It's fair to want people to do the content to actually critique that particular piece of content, but I also don't think it's fair for many people (not you) to suggest that if you haven't done XYZ(*) you shouldn't talk about the game as a whole. That's an obvious cop-out that everyone can see. It's a shady way to dismiss the other person's opinion.

(*)XYZ = Farm 50,000 leves, clear PotD, HoH, Orthos solo, clear all Ultimates, level all jobs to 90

If XYZ is something like:

have four or five Lv90 jobs, preferably in each role, before you talk about job balance;
have an Ultimate or at least a Savage clear, before you talk about high-end encounter design or the raiding scene;
be a Hunter Wolf or at least Diamond, before you talk about the prevalence of wintrading on the Feast leaderboards;
have all crafters at Lv90, before you talk about the economy of endgame gear;
etc.

I think people will be far more amenable to the criticisms. But right now so many posts are just dumping a laundry list of possible grinds one could engage in to dismiss criticisms of the lack of the game's content as a whole. I think if you've tried maybe half the new content every patch you more than deserved the right to criticize the game as a whole.

That isn't to say everyone's opinions have equal value. The amount of posts on the prevalence of wintrading, hacking etc. on the Feast leaderboards when we literally never saw these posters in Plat/Diamond back in ShB gave me an aneurysm.

[R041]

I think people will be far more amenable to the criticisms. But right now so many posts are just dumping a laundry list of possible grinds one could engage in to dismiss criticisms of the lack of the game's content as a whole.

Oh you're bored? Well do you even have a whole Ward of houses? Did you even decorate them all? Do you even have 999,999,999 gil?

[Ath192]

Oh you're bored? Well do you even have a whole Ward of houses? Did you even decorate them all? Do you even have 999,999,999 gil?

The worst part is that the same people who come on here to defend SE at all costs and attack people actively providing feedback would be all over the new content if SE did release it despite their best efforts to attack the people requesting it. They are too dense to understand they aren't just trying to work against the requesters, but they are actively harming themselves in the process.

But hey, as long as they played contrarian and looked like the biggest white knight in the room I guess its worth it.

[Velvet_Lunarfang]

The worst part is that the same people who come on here to defend SE at all costs and attack people actively providing feedback would be all over the new content if SE did release it despite their best efforts to attack the people requesting it. They are too dense to understand they aren't just trying to work against the requesters, but they are actively harming themselves in the process.

But hey, as long as they played contrarian and looked like the biggest white knight in the room I guess its worth it.

It is always like that. They really think FFXIV is the most perfect MMO and has nothing wrong with it. I wish they take the rose colored glasses off and see what the game is really like

[NekiUno]

I know you did not mention me but I would just like to say that this line of questioning has been directed at so many people, many of whom have actually engaged with a lot of content. Like ForteNightshade.

There is a huge middle ground between being a Limsa AFKer who didn't even do the MSQ and being rank 1 on lalachievements. It's fair to want people to do the content to actually critique that particular piece of content, but I also don't think it's fair for many people (not you) to suggest that if you haven't done XYZ(*) you shouldn't talk about the game as a whole. That's an obvious cop-out that everyone can see. It's a shady way to dismiss the other person's opinion.

(*)XYZ = Farm 50,000 leves, clear PotD, HoH, Orthos solo, clear all Ultimates, level all jobs to 90

If XYZ is something like:

have four or five Lv90 jobs, preferably in each role, before you talk about job balance;
have an Ultimate or at least a Savage clear, before you talk about high-end encounter design or the raiding scene;
be a Hunter Wolf or at least Diamond, before you talk about the prevalence of wintrading on the Feast leaderboards;
have all crafters at Lv90, before you talk about the economy of endgame gear;
etc.

I think people will be far more amenable to the criticisms. But right now so many posts are just dumping a laundry list of possible grinds one could engage in to dismiss criticisms of the lack of the game's content as a whole. I think if you've tried maybe half the new content every patch you more than deserved the right to criticize the game as a whole.

That isn't to say everyone's opinions have equal value. The amount of posts on the prevalence of wintrading, hacking etc. on the Feast leaderboards when we literally never saw these posters in Plat/Diamond back in ShB gave me an aneurysm.

If you feel like I offended you in any way, I apologize for that. I do not try to single any one person out but I try look at things at a wider view than others (been down this road for a very long time) but I am not that smart at all, so bear with me. But I think it should be up to each player who logs into this game to make their own opinion about the systems that is on there. Incinerator2, I understand your point of view and you are right in a way, but you are thinking I was talking about those who plays hours and hours, but I was looking at those who just try it one time and did not like it.

At the end of the day, Constructive criticisms and feedback is very important for information and improvements even if you did it 1000 times or just one time. Information like that can help improved system and way of life for not benefiting only us as the customer and gamers but also for the developers and invertors as well. This game has alot of flaws and alot of stuff they can improved but it will take time and patience from us and from them. Besides these types of conversions that make this game special because we all care for it and want it to succeed.

@R041, I love those ideas and I think they can do something like that with all of the other content and make them relevant again.... like Class gear and glamour (Let me stop or I be writing a 10 essay about the glamour system and why they need to unleash it)