Do babies play this game.

[Celine_Aurora]

How is it that Patch 2.4-2.55 delivered the most mature and shocking story of this game so far? It was FF14's Red Wedding.

Then what do we have now? Fanservice catboy eating burger cutscenes. A baby Elezen trying to treat centuries of imperial propaganda by being "nice" and two cutscenes later everyone is happy. The fan favorite catgirl with no character development since ARR going on and on about knowledge and wisdom. Oh and she """dies""" a few times and goes blind but nothing changes. And I guess we have a fedora tipping edgelord in our midst now. Who will, no doubt, open up and start learning about helping others without expecting payback again because everyone simply MUST progress in a wholesome direction.

Is this a game for babies now? No stakes, because god forbid a Scion gets killed ever again. That will hurt the fans' feelings.

On the other hand, grim for the sake of being grim rapidly loses its value when it's overdone. Do you want it to go the A song of Ice and Fire route? Oh another POV character died or was horribly mutilated, I'm shocked I say, shocked.

They are never killing Y'shtola. She sells figures and represents us in Dissidia. I too wish the writer was more honest about the Scions' heroic sacrifice except not really in the MSQ, but in the end it's still Final Fantasy, what can you do?

[hunkygladiator]

On the other hand, grim for the sake of being grim rapidly loses its value when it's overdone. Do you want it to go the A song of Ice and Fire route? Oh another POV character died or was horribly mutilated, I'm shocked I say, shocked.

They are never killing Y'shtola. She sells figures and represents us in Dissidia. I too wish the writer was more honest about the Scions' heroic sacrifice except not really in the MSQ, but in the end it's still Final Fantasy, what can you do?

"It's still Final Fantasy". The franchise with Aerith's death? Well maybe that's why they'll probably remove it in the remake because this new wave of FF fans seem to just want slice of life anime with cool xXCloudXx moments.

[DiaDeem]

"It's still Final Fantasy". The franchise with Aerith's death? Well maybe that's why they'll probably remove it in the remake because this new wave of FF fans seem to just want slice of life anime with cool xXCloudXx moments.

IV and VI have some of the darkest stories you'll ever find in the series. Aerith's death is one thing, but Kefka wins in VI. Then our group of friends that were travel companions rise to the occasion and topple him down. Final Fantasy is about hope and companions/friends. Character death is a very cheap story device that can give the illusion of seriousness and depth, but it means nothing if done poorly. We knew Tesleen for an hour, yet her death is one of the most impactful in Shadowbringers. And then very people cared for Lunafreya in XV. Character death for the sake of death means nothing. Also, If you're expecting a Final Fantasy story to be the an ocean of depression like say.. the FromSoft games, you're looking into the wrong franchise. We're here to fight for hope.


And kill Chaos.

[hunkygladiator]

IV and VI have some of the darkest stories you'll ever find in the series. Aerith's death is one thing, but Kefka wins in VI. Then our group of friends that were travel companions rise to the occasion and topple him down. Final Fantasy is about hope and companions/friends. Character death is a very cheap story device that can give the illusion of seriousness and depth, but it means nothing if done poorly. We knew Tesleen for an hour, yet her death is one of the most impactful in Shadowbringers. And then very people cared for Lunafreya in XV. Character death for the sake of death means nothing. Also, If you're expecting a Final Fantasy story to be the an ocean of depression like say.. the FromSoft games, you're looking into the wrong franchise. We're here to fight for hope.


And kill Chaos.

There's a huge middle ground between "an ocean of depression" and slice of life fan-service storylines. FF14 is no longer a game about fighting for hope (and most FF's aren't about that either unless literally any positive emotion is "hope" to you), it's a game that delivers hope again and again with zero stakes to any of the valleys because you just know the Scions will just survive everything anyways. At that point it's not hope anymore because why would you need to hope for anything if you know it's going to be happily ever after at the end?

Actually...



Dark enough for you OP???

/thread

Yes that was the best part of EW and then it just fell off from there once Alphinaud solves centuries of strife, resentment, and brainwashing in a few days with the power of being nice.

[Renalt]

it's a game that delivers hope again and again with zero stakes to any of the valleys because you just know the Scions will just survive everything anyways.

This is one point I will concede to. Too many fake or cheated deaths. If one was to happen again my first and only thought will be "Yeah...ok. So how long is their respawn timer set for?" So if it's a real character death...it's not going to be impactful due to too many fake outs.

[DiaDeem]

I hope I'm not making a mistake by taking you seriously, but let's give it a chance.

There's a huge middle ground between "an ocean of depression" and slice of life fan-service storylines. FF14 is no longer a game about fighting for hope, it's a game that delivers hope again and again with zero stakes to any of the valleys because you just know the Scions will just survive everything anyways

I get what you're saying. I've never been a fan of fake-death moments, and I can see that losing stakes for you with the Scions. However, to say that "the game is for babies" based just in the lack of death within the main cast, is reaching. The stakes for a while have been with other characters imho. Matsya, Ahewann, the Ancients (Everyone, not just Emet/Hyth), etc. I can understand if that doesn't hold the same amount of stakes for you, but it does for others.

At that point it's not hope anymore because why would you need to hope for anything if you know it's going to be happily ever after at the end?

Aragorn, Legolas, Gimli, Sam, Frodo, Merry, Pippin, and even Gandalf were never going to die. Heck, Gandalf was brought back without much of an explanation. The only member of the Fellowship that dies is Boromir, and after that, the only meaningful death would be Theoden, and that doesn't mean stakes are gone or that Lord of the Rings is a bad story. You're placing WAY too much value in character death, and I don't quite understand why.

Yes that was the best part of EW and then it just fell off from there once Alphinaud solves centuries of strife, resentment, and brainwashing in a few days with the power of being nice.

I don't know how to feel when you tell me that the best part of EW is when a depressed Legatus blows his brains out. You seem obsessed with death... You're also overselling Alphinaud, while ignoring (intentionally? accidentally?) all the efforts done by the Eorzean contingent in Garlemald, which is led by Lucia and Maxima, the native Garleans that actually bridged the gap between the locals and the Eorzean contingent. Alphinaud and Alise are mostly just doing voluntary work, not really making anything work through the power of magic. The tragedy of Quintus is that he was too far gone. He'd rather die as a martyr rather than being around to make sure his people rose once again.

I don't quite understand why you seem to be so... antagonistic towards people. You judge someone as a kid because they were shocked by Tesleen, but Silent Hill is somehow "adult" stuff? It's all video games, and we all react differently depending on many factors. People say you're trolling. I'm giving the benefit of the doubt, at least this once.

[aveyond-dreams]

On the other hand, grim for the sake of being grim rapidly loses its value when it's overdone. Do you want it to go the A song of Ice and Fire route? Oh another POV character died or was horribly mutilated, I'm shocked I say, shocked.

They are never killing Y'shtola. She sells figures and represents us in Dissidia. I too wish the writer was more honest about the Scions' heroic sacrifice except not really in the MSQ, but in the end it's still Final Fantasy, what can you do?

This topic has been brought up many times, the best response to your question is best answered by the following post I'm about to quote:

I suppose this might be another post to potentially bookmark in order to keep track of the points being raised but as has been pointed out in the past it is specifically being requested that there are meaningful lasting consequences for at least some of the major protagonists.

Not just throwaway side characters of little relevance who are created with the intention of dying horribly. Not only antagonists and villains who are predictably given a sob story to induce sympathy and then unceremoniously killed off.

The occasional character on the level of Alisae, Y'shtola, Urianger, Raubhan, Nanamo or Merlwyb actually facing death in a meaningful and well written fashion would do wonders to portray some actual stakes.

I'm not convinced that one sided magic and world altering abilities are particularly engaging, either. Wanting more fantasy elements does not necessarily equal wanting them to manifest solely as an excuse to shield the major characters at almost every turn, especially when the story is written in such a way as to disallow the antagonists to score any meaningful on screen victories.

I want a compelling story and lasting consequences would achieve that as far as I'm concerned.

As has been pointed out over the numerous past occasions where the 'this is not Game of Thrones' line has been spouted, many of us aren't asking for mass death for the sake of mass death and are instead asking for death to occur where and when it makes sense. Cladding the bulk of the cast in extensive plot armour simply sends things in the opposite direction.

I would humbly suggest bookmarking this post if you're able to. It might help refresh your memory next time this same point is raised.