We lost 70% of our player base half a year in

[DiaDeem]

Most people play on Windows Client or PlayStation, jfyi

[Deceptus]

Most people play on Windows Client or PlayStation, jfyi

As I said earlier, this doesn't discount the data provided by steam. CBU3 would be stupid to just ignore it.

[SaltyDaddy]

yeah the game is dead. Hubs are ghost towns. Jobs are boring to play. No content whatsoever.

Why would any sensible person with decent IQ keep paying subs for this dead game?

Thats a hard copium inhale right here, when we see the the trend. The question is, do you know why, or dont want to know.

As I said earlier, this doesn't discount the data provided by steam. CBU3 would be stupid to just ignore it.

You can see in this thread, that many people dont understand the word "statistic" and think that for sure, for sure other client users are different.

[Aword3213]

Thats a hard copium inhale right here, when we see the the trend. The question is, do you know why, or dont want to know.

it's hardly copium. 70% is a huge number. If a game, especially MMO, loses so much 70% of player base, it's very unwise to keep subbing.

[DPZ2]

If a game, especially MMO, loses so much 70% of player base, it's very unwise to keep subbing.

As I have discussed in earlier posts, that 'peak players' statistic (used to indicate a 70% drop) is a worthless value when one wants to discuss the number of actual daily players who use a Steam account for their subscription.

The average of the 'average players' column over the last year is 23,672.59.

In March 2023, that value was 21,718.3, which is 91% of the average for the year. In December 2022 that number was 18,445.6, which is over 3,000 players less than March 2023! That is not a 70% drop using anyone's math.

So, stop writing "lost 70% of player base". The number is false. That argument is so bad that even basic statistics denies the claim.

[Aword3213]

As I have discussed in earlier posts, that 'peak players' statistic (used to indicate a 70% drop) is a worthless value when one wants to discuss the number of actual daily players who use a Steam account for their subscription.

The average of the 'average players' column over the last year is 23,672.59.

In March 2023, that value was 21,718.3, which is 91% of the average for the year. In December 2022 that number was 18,445.6, which is over 3,000 players less than March 2023! That is not a 70% drop using anyone's math.

So, stop writing "lost 70% of player base". The number is false. That argument is so bad that even basic statistics denies the claim.

I mean, the OP and many others support this claim. I just went along.

If a game actually lost 70% of players like doomsayers claim, the game is factually dead. Not dying, Dead.

So my advice to them is stop paying sub. This is a genuine advice. Don't pay your hard earned money on a dead game. Don't spend time and energy on a dead game. You can't revive the dead.

70% is a very serious number. Many contents in FFXIV wouldn't even doable. It will be extremely difficult to form Savage raid parties. Roulette won't work. Players will have hard time trading items because market died. S rank or even A rank hunts on current expac will be impossible to kill. Treasure map dungeons are impossible to do. The list goes on.

FFXIV will be unplayable in literal sense.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I mean, the OP and many others support this claim. I just went along.

If a game actually lost 70% of players like doomsayers claim, the game is factually dead. Not dying, Dead.

So my advice to them is stop paying sub. This is a genuine advice. Don't pay your hard earned money on a dead game. Don't spend time and energy on a dead game. You can't revive the dead.

Yeah but OP is an rmt bot troll, so can't really take them seriously.

[DPZ2]

You can see in this thread, that many people dont understand the word "statistic" and think that for sure, for sure other client users are different.

I've pretty much ignored that argument in my own recent posts. Here's another chart from the FFXIV SteamCharts. Let's use this to discuss drops in the player base, shall we?



The Steam player base was relatively flat from 2014 through 2019. Note the 'peak players' point in mid-2018, 10,272. Move directly to the right to the end of the last dip. That number is currently 33,821. Conclusion? The game now attracts 3 times as many active players as it did 5 years ago.

It's an inaccurate conclusion though. Peak is fun to look at (that 95,102 peak in late 2021 is the release of Endwalker) but doesn't really tell us much about the actual number of players who play the game.

Average Players (the lower solid graph) is the number of Steam players who are playing the game, sampled at regular intervals every day, averaged for the month. I suspect that number is sampled every hour, leaving us with around 720 data points each month. Note that this number drops during non-prime time and rises during prime time.

The lower graph is the average player count over the years, February 2014 through current date. The value for left side of the chart is 3,577.8. The value for the right side of the chart is 20,391.4. Conclusion? The game now attracts 5.6 times as many players as it did 9 years ago. That is the definition of a game that is successful.

What is missing from this chart? An interpretation for the peaks and valleys. I can pretty much guarantee that the peak in 2017 was the release of Stormblood, the peak in 2019 was Shadowbringers release, the peaks in 2021 correspond to the Great Awakening and subsequent influx of WoW players looking for the Next Best Thing and the release of Endwalker.

Does all of this data tell us anything about subscriptions? Only that there are at least 5+ times as many players paying for a subscription via Steam than there were back in 2014.

[Tahbitha]

I have been playing the game for quite a while now. Yes, I've had some times when I temporarily cancelled my subscription but I started the game in 2021 (finished Stormblood last night, loved it!)

If FF XIV is losing players, why do I still have a login queue every night? And it is the same wait time now as it was in 2021, give or take a few seconds...

[Stormpeaks]

I have been playing the game for quite a while now. Yes, I've had some times when I temporarily cancelled my subscription but I started the game in 2021 (finished Stormblood last night, loved it!)

If FF XIV is losing players, why do I still have a login queue every night? And it is the same wait time now as it was in 2021, give or take a few seconds...

That totally cant be because of the hundreds of lala bots under Limsa and every main city that are logging in and out 24/7, nah that cant be

Also the post below me is right.