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    Scholar doesn't need everything sage does. God forbid we have some differences in healers lol, sage has all of that mitigation because its a mitigation/regen healer. Its shields are weak, scholar has potent shields/regens. The both have their strengths and weaknesses, if you want more mitigation play sage. I'm just against 1 class having something just because the other class has it. Its seem like a take thats based on fear of exclusion imo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elucesta View Post
    Scholar doesn't need everything sage does. God forbid we have some differences in healers lol, sage has all of that mitigation because its a mitigation/regen healer. Its shields are weak, scholar has potent shields/regens. The both have their strengths and weaknesses, if you want more mitigation play sage. I'm just against 1 class having something just because the other class has it. Its seem like a take thats based on fear of exclusion imo
    Firstly, saying 'SGE is a mitigation/regen healer' when SE split the healers into Pure and Barrier, means that the split is a failure designwise. We all knew that though.

    But besides that, Succor is 200p, 160% shield (total of 320p shielding), E.Prognosis is 100p, 320% shield (so, again 320p). Similarly, both Adlo and E.Diagnosis are 300/180%, (540p total shield), with the 'if you crit you apply a second copy of the shield'. The only real 'stronger shields' argument that can be made is Deployment Tactics, but you can kinda mimic that by using Zoe on E.Prognosis (bumping it to 150/320%, totalling 480p). I guess you can purposely hold Recitation for a crit Adlo, but then you deprive yourself of eg Recit-Indom. Meanwhile for OGCD shielding options, SCH has Consolation (2x200p) and... oh, that's it actually, huh weird. SGE has Holos (300p), Haima (5x300p, ST), Panhaima (5x200p, AOE). If you think SGE doesn't have 'strong shields', you can make up for it by the fact it has twice as many OGCD shield options to use for AOE

    And what 'potent regens' does SCH have that SGE doesn't? W.Dawn is 560 over it's duration, Physis is 650, in a shorter duration, and has the 10% heal boost. Meanwhile, Kera and Soil are both 100p per tick, for the same duration. Are we really going to nitpick and give the win to SCH because of the 'ground-effect instant tick' phenomenon? Or is it entirely down to Fey Union?

    We do need the healers to feel different. But when the tools are so similar, the comparisons are blindingly easy to make on a tool-by-tool basis, and it seems SGE comes out slightly ahead on most things. At this point, SCH seems (to me at least) to have only one advantage: you can heal without being nearby, using the fairy skills. But that counts for very little when the other healer is usually forced to go to the side where 'you can't reach as SGE' so they can handle it. Like, wow, you can heal the opposite side in Ruby Light 5 as SCH but not as SGE. But it's not an issue, because your cohealer's over there anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by Osmond View Post
    Again with the same argument. It’s getting old, we’re not getting more DPS buttons, it’s not going to happen. I would rather give SCH more DPS buffs other than chain stratagem than more oGCD/DPS tools. Would rather give that to SGE instead. So if you want more DPS, SGE is there, PLAY IT!
    When the expansion was announced, and we got the info that we'd have the Pure/Barrier split, my first thought was something like this:

    WHM - Burst healing
    AST - HOT/delay focused healing
    SCH - mitigates by buffing allies eg. Soil, Expedient, Eye4Eye, Fey Illumination
    SGE - mitigates by debuffing enemies via attacks, eg Virus, Disable

    Instead we got SCH 2: Slightly less jank edition.
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    Last edited by ForsakenRoe; 04-11-2023 at 05:27 AM.