Mentor Status AKA the new Sprouts AKA Burger King Hats

[dspguy]

I absolutely agree with you. A mentor is there to help when they can and if they can. They are not all knowing, elite players. This expectation some of the community has for mentors should be reserved for only the top few percent of players.

Ideally we should only have high expectations of ourselves

Generally speaking, mentors have probably seen all of these mechanics. So, many won't be "new" but it doesn't mean they'll get it right 100% of the time.

[AnnRam]

Mentors should carry me tru the entire game, even savages nor ultimates period.

[SieyaM]

So the sprouts die because of the mentor, who is expected to excel at over 100 instances. No fault of the sprout or any other non mentor player in the instance.

How about being responsible for your own progress and / or performance? No? Alright, my bad

Then why have the mentor system at all? If they aren't there to help others improve and learn and everyone has to do that themselves without any assistance from anyone ever in the game then it sounds like the mentor system isn't necessary at all and should be removed.

[ThroatDeep]

mentor make me so angwy!!!

[ChrysOCE]

Then why have the mentor system at all? If they aren't there to help others improve and learn and everyone has to do that themselves without any assistance from anyone ever in the game then it sounds like the mentor system isn't necessary at all and should be removed.

They didn't say anything about a mentor not helping or providing assistance. Just that a mentors responsibility isn't to ensure a sprout/non-mentor doesn't die. The mentor can offer advice and encouragement and, if the sprout/non-mentor has a question, try their best to answer it. Sprouts/non-mentors are still responsible for themselves.

[Kolaina]

Then why have the mentor system at all? If they aren't there to help others improve and learn and everyone has to do that themselves without any assistance from anyone ever in the game then it sounds like the mentor system isn't necessary at all and should be removed.

ChrysOce already answered that on the previous page.

It’s a voluntary service to provide knowledge and insight. Not to be walking strategy guides and hand holders

[Shinkuno]

Generally speaking, mentors have probably seen all of these mechanics. So, many won't be "new" but it doesn't mean they'll get it right 100% of the time.

Generally speaking, most mentors unsynced those fights

[sharknado]

I find it incredibly annoying wiping multiple times in a row in roulettes cause half or more than half the party, in some cases, are made up of sprouts following the mentor that doesn't actually know the mechanics., when your just trying to get through your dailies. I have no problems helping out sprouts, i enjoy it, the problem is the sprout in disguise (aka Mentor) causing the wipes due to the crown.

I didn't notice people following mentors just because they are mentors. There is a good chance half or more of the group will be some type of mentor. I have had the full mentor crown for like a month and I didn't unlock the mentor roulette and I don't really plan to. Aside from that, I don't run all of the daily roulettes and most of them only on my healer main job, not as tank just because I don't want to end up in a modern raid which I did once to unlock it / see the story and which has actual mechanics to obey I forgot long ago. If you want RIO / M+ score for each instance to allow access then get ready for 100% Crystal Tower, Titan/Ifrit and no SHB/EW or even SB/HW trials or raids. Even dungeons like Ktisis Hyperboreia would die out. There is way to many instances and there is no encounter journal to quickly refresh what's it all about (and not enough time to open wiki or Mizteq video and go over it )

[dspguy]

Part of the problem is that players think mentors should be something they aren't. Mentors are simply people that have 1500 commendations, 1000 dungeons, and a level 90 tank, healer and DPS. SE lays out what mentors do:

#1 Provide gameplay advice for new adventurers and other players.
#2 Be an exemplar for player etiquette.
#3 Invite new adventurers to the Novice Network, and answer their queries in the chat channel.

That's all it is. Nowhere does it say mentors have to be 100% perfect in everything. That's a community perception. Mentor status doesn't require any major changes. It serves its purpose. The only thing I could recommend is that mentors need to sometimes execute the "kick from channel" on other mentors for breaking #2. That's what gives mentors a bad reputation, in my opinion.

Players don't come on Novice Network to get answers on how to completely maximize their DPS for raid purposes. That's what discords like The Balance are for. Mentors can give advice on how to get better, but the squabbling in NN over whether it makes more sense to use Chainsaw before Air Anchor for an extra 5 dps is plain silly.

[Toutatis]

I don’t think anyone has to worry about SE implementing OPs proposal. Not going to happen. Too complicated, impractical and not in line with SE’s “no individual player humiliation” in public approach. Besides, that would mean being demoted for soloing extremes and ignoring mechanics when soloing stuff for WT.