YPYT is griefing. Tank role is not "puller" role

[kevin_satron]

They change how enmity works in ShB so that tanks can pull them easier, so yeah, tank is a puller role

[KatherineOrnitier]

First of all, communicate with your party. Easy and simple.

2nd, Tank/healer should control the pace. Maybe tank can't handed a group because of their skill, equipment, etc.
Same with healer. Maybe that can't heal a big pull cause of skill, equipment, etc.

And since you can't do a dungeon without them they should more or less control the pace.

I understand it's your daily and you want to do it as fast as possible so you can go about your day. But you should respect other people if they do not want to or unable to do the normal and do wall to wall pulls. Not everyone is at your skill level, equipment level or even have the internet, screen restate to handle big pulls.

4th, if a tank is really turning off tank stance cause a non-tanked pull. And it's causing people to die and wipe. Yeah, thats toxic. Report/block them.

[Nestama]

They change how enmity works in ShB so that tanks can pull them easier, so yeah, tank is a puller role

Almost there, but not quite. Anyone can pull and thanks to the enmity changes in ShB. The tank can easily grab everything off of whoever pulled with a single AoE or two.

At the end of the day, everyone controls the pace (not just the healer and especially not the tank). The tank holds hate and mitigates, the healer heals the tank when necessary (otherwise DPS until then) and DPS make sure things die ASAP so the tanks and healers will still have resources for the next pull.

Reason why I say "and especially not the tank" is because you can do the dungeons without them if you pull packs one at a time (tanking is also the easiest role to play in FFXIV now that you don't have to juggle between DPS and Tank stance).

[Absurdity]

Reason why I say "and especially not the tank" is because you can do the dungeons without them if you pull packs one at a time (tanking is also the easiest role to play in FFXIV now that you don't have to juggle between DPS and Tank stance).

Basically the biggest counter against the tanks insisting on single pulls in max level dungeons, your contribution is so minimal that a dps can do your job and we would probably get through this dungeon faster as well.

[Anvaire]

I think its a bit of a context rules kind of situation.

In general a non-tank pulling by accident the Tank should grab them. But if they are frequently doing it, to force a tank or heal to do more then they are comfortable with, then thats griefing.

End of the day, its about balance and no one has the right to force a singlular pacce on the rest of the party. If DPS dont like the pace. Well they can leave the option is up to them.

Obviosuly the reverse is also true. A tank refusing to tank because of a single accidental pull then thats griefing too.

Bottom line is there is no hard written rule about it either way, so you can either communicte and come to a decision or you can be petty about it.

Most duties are only 20-30 minutes anyway so if you dont have time for it when you queue, then thats on you. Either way i wish people would just accept it happens and move on after it does.

You are never going to get the player base to 100% conform to your way of thinking

[Connor]

You are never going to get the player base to 100% conform to your way of thinking

It confuses that people expect this. For better or worse it doesn’t really matter how ‘objectively better’ one thing or the other is, there’s always going to be a small percentage of people who just don’t care and do what they want lol. Which is exactly why it’s better to discuss it with the party as/when it happens rather than complain on the forums about it

[Elizasylen]

I could care less if you pull or w/e, I'm speed running wall to wall so it'll come back to me either way.

[ValkyrieL]

Old thread lol
Meh I could care less if anyone else pull BUT you better be running to the wall on top of tank because I'm not f*&ig chasing you.

[MuppetBear]

Old thread lol
Meh I could care less if anyone else pull BUT you better be running to the wall on top of tank because I'm not f*&ig chasing you.

Best answer.

IMHO. You pull it.... To the tank. Everyone with enmity... Hate... Aggro... Run to the mother loving tank with it.

On the note of pacing, to anyone reading this. You can only be as good as your weakest player. Keep that in mind or just abandon the group.

[Mostly_Raxus]

all i'm saying is: if you believe ypyt is griefing, and you intentionally pull to stress the tank out with threat of reporting them, then its you who is greifing, be an adult and ask them to pull more or ask whey they are not pulling so much.. dont be that terminally online edgelord that has to prove a point to someone just trying to relax.

you are playing with people not your action figures.