Twitch streamers still blatantly cheating on stream.

[Nyxs]

Asked about your claim, for proof, and I need to calm down? Ok. Gaslight me all you want. You’re being manipulative. Strawmanning.

So you can’t twist things

Gaslighting: claiming I’m not calm for asking about your strawman

Strawman: suggesting a person may be confusing act with other mods

Manipulating: both examples provided above plus leaving out example of mods that are clearly cheating in favour of less controversial ones

I wouldnt even waste your time with him.He is one of those strange people that feels like no one else should post what they think or feel and thinks his opinion is the only one that matters. Some people treat this like Twitter. Its really strange.

[Midareyukki]

I wouldnt even waste your time with him.He is one of those strange people that feels like no one else should post what they think or feel and thinks his opinion is the only one that matters. Some people treat this like Twitter. Its really strange.

Oh do shut up.

You don't see me trash talking crap like I know who you are in other threads, do you? The fun part is that you're not telling people why you got those answers, or the better part, that I was in no way the only one.

[TabrisOmbrelame]

I'm still amazed that people are still talking about mod/addon/cheat on the forum, seems like some people really need a reminder of the user agreement.

2.1 Cheating and Botting.

You may not create or use any unauthorized cheats, bots, automation software, hacks, mods or any other unauthorized software or hardware designed to modify the Game and gameplay. In addition, you may not take advantage of game system bugs and exploits during gameplay.

[...]

2.6 Hacking and Circumvention.

You may not hack, disassemble, decompile, or otherwise modify the Game or server computer code, whether the Game code is located on a DVD, Blu-rayTM disc, your computer/console or on Square Enix's servers, except as expressly permitted by Square Enix or applicable law.

2.7 Modifying or Creating Derivative Software.

You may not modify or cause to be modified any files that are a part of the Game or Service in any way not expressly authorized by Square Enix, and may not make any derivative works of the Game.

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When you play the game you accept those rules, meaning that if you ever do one of those action, you may be banned temporaly or permanently.

No matter if what you do harm other or not. The rules are here and Square Enix is the only entity that decide if you take the ban hammer.

[Iyrnthota]

I'm still amazed that people are still talking about mod/addon/cheat on the forum, seems like some people really need a reminder of the user agreement.

2.1 Cheating and Botting.

You may not create or use any unauthorized cheats, bots, automation software, hacks, mods or any other unauthorized software or hardware designed to modify the Game and gameplay. In addition, you may not take advantage of game system bugs and exploits during gameplay.

[...]

2.6 Hacking and Circumvention.

You may not hack, disassemble, decompile, or otherwise modify the Game or server computer code, whether the Game code is located on a DVD, Blu-rayTM disc, your computer/console or on Square Enix's servers, except as expressly permitted by Square Enix or applicable law.

2.7 Modifying or Creating Derivative Software.

You may not modify or cause to be modified any files that are a part of the Game or Service in any way not expressly authorized by Square Enix, and may not make any derivative works of the Game.

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When you play the game you accept those rules, meaning that if you ever do one of those action, you may be banned temporaly or permanently.

No matter if what you do harm other or not. The rules are here and Square Enix is the only entity that decide if you take the ban hammer.

Does ACT even fall under any of those definitions? I thought strictly speaking all it does is read the combat log, and itself doesn't affect gameplay.

[TabrisOmbrelame]

Does ACT even fall under any of those definitions? I thought strictly speaking all it does is read the combat log, and itself doesn't affect gameplay.

That's kinda a grey area in my opinion, cause you actually use information sended to the server in order to make it work. But you are right to say it doesn't do anything on gameplay itself. I won't recommend using it anyway cause it's a third party tool and SE bans you for using it if they are aware of it. (Like you trash someone for being bad on DPS and you explicitely says you know the numbers by using ACT ---> Ban).

But I think what SE really bans here is the "harassment" rather than the usage of ACT itself

Anyway, if you follow strictly the rules, you may not modifying the games or use "Third party software" for automation. So we can say that a ReShade or ACT are harmless on those point. But again, do not harass people by saying things you aren't able to see with a normal game.

[Midareyukki]

Does ACT even fall under any of those definitions? I thought strictly speaking all it does is read the combat log, and itself doesn't affect gameplay.

In a way, ACT reads the server's information. It also does enable Cactbot which gives you call-outs based on said server-side information. It only reads it, though, but that's enough to have an impact on gameplay.

It's really loose, so I guess how one can make that reading, but you may also argue that it's not what's written there, so...
Which makes sense given how Square Enix might consider them a gray area. If they chose to do so, they could read it that way. But haven't in practice, because they aren't going after those tools, so it may be they don't read it that way.

[Iyrnthota]

That's kinda a grey area in my opinion, cause you actually use information sended to the server in order to make it work. But you are right to say it doesn't do anything on gameplay itself. I won't recommend using it anyway cause it's a third party tool and SE bans you for using it if they are aware of it. (Like you trash someone for being bad on DPS and you explicitely says you know the numbers by using ACT ---> Ban).

But I think what SE really bans here is the "harassment" rather than the usage of ACT itself

Anyway, if you follow strictly the rules, you may not modifying the games or use "Third party software" for automation. So we can say that a ReShade or ACT are harmless on those point. But again, do not harass people by saying things you aren't able to see with a normal game.

Yeah, I mean ACT would fall foul anyhow due to their general "no third party tools" position, I just didn't know enough about how ACT really works to figure out which of the above rules it violates.

[TabrisOmbrelame]

...Cactbot which gives you call-outs based on said server-side information.

That's automation. It allows you to have an automatic call tool and that is prohibited.

[Kolaina]

I wouldnt even waste your time with him.He is one of those strange people that feels like no one else should post what they think or feel and thinks his opinion is the only one that matters. Some people treat this like Twitter. Its really strange.

Yeah I picked that up. I’d still rather speak out than not just so there’s opinions outside the echo chambers the forums usually devolve into. I don’t mean to be that person, but some people say ridiculous things or speak with such hyperbole that another opinion should exist

[Midareyukki]

I don’t mean to be that person, but some people say ridiculous things or speak with such hyperbole that another opinion should exist

Oh you're definitely one such person. Curious you think I belong in some weird echo chamber. Which is it, then? Go on, I'm waiting.

Unlike you, who apparently took the first person who hated on me to agree for absolutely no reason despite their argument being "I got told off in another thread and single-focused this guy for no good reason".

None of you know me, yet you're so keen on trash talking. Meanwhile you can't look at yourselves for self-criticism and blame others of doing so. It's sad, really. I may speak with hyperbole, but I'm not the only one. And you yourselves are certainly no saints at that either.