Duty Complete should mean duty complete :)

[MakoMight]

How very philosophical. Filling and leaving PFs is a significant time cost, especially if you're in the habit of leaving early. But it's true! Throw enough trash hours at PF and nothing is a problem, and if you don't care then you don't care. Everyone on this earth is dramatizing everything because with enough hours we will all be dead and nothing matters! But some people like me are just so "spoiled" that this game of lying and not respecting other peoples' time or their wishes isn't such a trivial thing

[Raven2014]

Filling and leaving PFs is a significant time cost,

Then I suggest you economize your time. Yes some PF does take a lot of time to fill, but for me it has never been waste time 'cause I don't just sit around. Either I do some solo stuff while waiting, or I tab out playing/watching something else. If you spend 1h just starring at the screen while waiting your party to fill ... again that's a you problem.

Just like I said in the other thread I don't answer the question "is this patch worth 4 months of waiting", 'cause it's not like I stopped doing everything else for it to drop before moving on.

especially if you're in the habit of leaving early.

I feel now you're just trying to shift the narrative to a different thing. I don't leave PF early if the issue doesn't stem from dishonesty. I had spent entire lock out on "clear" party, sometime even two lockout with the same party without a clear. We took turn making mistake round robin style, but no one lied about their progress so it's fine. Just like I normally don't leave after a few bad pull in a "re-clear" party when there is no bonus pop up, 'cause like other had note, even in a party when everyone is legit/honest doesn't mean it will be smooth sailing.

I leave early simply due to a simple reason: I don't want to obligate the people who are not honest. And like ... isn't that your issue as well? And this is such a stupid argument as well. Say, if it's simply because I spent an large amount of time/resource into a deal with someone who tried to scam me, I simply obligate to go through with it or I'm the bad guy?

I don't practice sunk cost fallacies, and yes I'm damn proud of it.

But some people like me are just so "spoiled" that this game of lying and not respecting other peoples' time or their wishes isn't such a trivial thing

My dude I don't even know what you're ranting about any more. The reason I disagree with your suggestion because it takes away the legit applicable way using C41 [Duty Complete] and make it much more difficult for "honest" people. Yes people can be dishonest, but the game provide an effective way to make your own inform decision (bonus warning). I'm always of the opinion that yes, rule and law should be made to the deter bad actors, but they should never reach a point when it will also punish good people for the shake of deterring those bad actors, which is exactly what your suggestion will do.

But you're shifting your goal post around now that I don't think you're actually complaining about anything any more, but merely for the shake of contrarian.

[MakoMight]

My dude, chill out a bit. I just posted a reply, and you seem to be assuming everything I wrote is me disagreeing with everything you wrote, which as you pointed out is not the case. Talk about overdramatizing

[Raven2014]

Just have to cover all base 'cause like I said I don't even know what is the issue you're making the topic for, since what I thought was the reason you already said is not. I can stop making assumption once you're honest and present your argument.

Can't argue with people using a shotgun approach when you're purposely dancing around. :P

And at the end of the day, I'm not the one who came to the forum to make a thread about an issue that was well within my ability to control, that was you.

[MakoMight]

Sheesh, talk about moving the goalpost. I actually explained quite well what the misunderstanding was, but if you want to intentionally misread everything in bad faith... there's a simple explanation why none of the arguments seem to make sense!

[Raven2014]

I didn't make the thread, you did. So unlike you, I don't have a goal post to move.

[MakoMight]

Make that two of us confused then? You don't know why I made that thread I don't know why you're arguing against imaginary arguments