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    Quote Originally Posted by Payadopa View Post
    I'd prefer a company that doesn't rely on whales and FOMO to make money.

    Stop making excuses for corporations.

    I already pay. Just because you're complacent doesn't mean I am. We already get nickel & dime'd enough already.
    It doesn't bother me as I'm lucky enough to have a disposable income.

    Furthermore, just like how supermarkets sell products that are luxuries rather than necessities so, too, do many other businesses.

    It's less about making excuses and more so acknowledging the reality of the situation.

    Again, I ask, out of curiosity how would you propose that Square Enix make more money to pay for the game's ongoing development when development costs have gone up over the years whereas the subscription fee has remained the same?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Halivel View Post
    No, they probably believe that development is done for free and workers feed on Sun energy and don't have bills to pay, and even if they do - of course all the prices are same as back in 2010 when the sub cost was established and was never raised since.
    Right. Because we also have the same amount of players playing since 11 years ago?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    It doesn't bother me as I'm lucky enough to have a disposable income.

    Furthermore, just like how supermarkets sell products that are luxuries rather than necessities so, too, do many other businesses.

    It's less about making excuses and more so acknowledging the reality of the situation.

    Again, I ask, out of curiosity how would you propose that Square Enix make more money to pay for the game's ongoing development when development costs have gone up over the years whereas the subscription fee has remained the same?
    The reality is that I'm already paying for a product. Every month. That's the reason MMOs used to have subscriptions. Then we got F2P, fair. Now we have both in this game.

    No.

    I'm against that out of principle. If you can't sustain your business you have no reason being in business in the first place. Not my problem.

    And some people are literally begging SE to allow them to throw money at them. If it means so much to people, why not start a charity for SE? I mean, this poor, poor indie company certainly needs all the help it can get. x)

    In all honesty, I don't expect much resistance from people on the forums. We all wouldn't be here if we weren't 'fans' of some description. What I do dislike, though, is the amount of lack in critical thinking. Do you honestly think SE would one day go 'Roight, this month we made more than enough money.' Of course not. Money making isn't the issue. The issue I have is with capital F fans that allow these companies to sneak in additional costs through the back door and even defend it.

    Baffles me every time.

    And as an addendum,
    I, too, have disposable income but I fail to see what that has to do with not wanting to be fleeced.
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    In what manner are we being 'fleeced'? If someone does not want to purchase optional items, then they need not do so. The people who do, however, are ensuring that the game continues to be successful. We already know from Yoshi-P's own words in various interviews that the funds raised from the Mog Station specifically go back into the game and generally pay for additional servers, new datacentres and similar infrastructure upgrades. Again, MMO's are not a one and done affair - they're developed over time and are ridiculously expensive to maintain without a compromise in the form of optional cosmetics.

    Whales aren't necessarily a bad thing. If anything, they mitigate costs that would otherwise be passed on to every consumer rather than a portion of them.

    Personally when I find particular business practices abhorrent I vote with my wallet and walk away entirely. I've done as much with other companies and if FFXIV ever crosses any of my major lines in the sand than I'll do it here, too. So far, though, things are decent enough for my liking.
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    And here we have yet another example of push the envelope far enough and gets normalised till it's the status quo. Then push again.

    And if you think whales aren't a problem then educate yourself on the matter. If you think it doesn't influence game design then you're very naive. Be that as it may, let's just agree to disagree.
    I for one look after my own interests as a consumer and not those of big corporations.
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    Oh look, it's the same argument that comes up every time the cash shop is mentioned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MagiusNecros View Post
    I know I would. That coat is fabulous.
    I think that would be great, but if they added an Elidibus Cosplay i would be over the moon, also i'm still waiting for those Ascian robes to come out, they are like the most awesome robes i've ever seen! >>
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    And they say we don't have Necromancers in FFXIV ...
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    No. It would be sacrilege. Besides that, no one can look as wonderful as he does in his clothes obviously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MagiusNecros View Post
    I know I would. That coat is fabulous.
    I don't think it would fit me...
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