Female Hrothgar as a playable race. Show your support!

[Pip_Chick]

I feel like I'm in that rare group that really likes the coeurl mustache face for Hrothgar men (Bajsaljen's face). No idea how they might give the women something similarly coeurl looking tho. ;-;

Can't wait for the reveal, I've reached the point of not even caring what they might look like anymore I just want to make my kitty queen already, been wanting one since I started playing this game during Shadowbringers.
Obviously Fan Fest and 7.0 seem the most obvious (especially given the graphics update like I pointed out in a previous post on this thread) but I'm still clinging to a small hope for maybe 6.5 so can't wait to be crushed when we see nothing at that Live Letter wooo.

You are not alone! I have a soft spot for coeurl face, mostly because it's from the game and the evolutionary implication (do Coeurls and Hrothgar have the same ancestor!? OvO). But I was thinking about how they might implement that, a moustache might not be feasible for a female character, but I think they could do 1 of 2 things to solve the issue. Either move the coeurl whiskers more toward the side of the face instead of under the nose (giving it more of a whiskers look) or use them as eyebrows (making them a bit more slender so as to not clutter the forehead).

Speaking of faces, what faces do you think females should have?

The males have:
Face 1: Lion
Face 2: Tiger/Leopard
Face 3: Coeurl
Face 4: Ronso

I think the females could have:
Face 1: Lioness
Face 2: Cheetah/Panther/Caracal
Face 3:Coeurl
Face 4: Ronso

Would that cover all ranges? The males face 1 is softer if you want to make a gentle-looking Hrothgar. Face 2 is more on the cute/handsome side if you just want the option of making a pretty Hrothgar. Face 3 is more on the bada$$ and feral side if you want a scary-looking Hrothgar. And Face 4 is if you either want to RP as a Ronso or want a beast race but with a more Human shaped head, or you just want to RP as an Oni and that face is the only one with a horn (sadly).
And I think the female faces would cover the same range: Face 1 soft, Face 2 Pretty/cute, Face 3 Fierce and Face 4 Ronso/More humanoid head.


As for the announcement, most probably it will be in 7.0, it doesn't make sense before that because of the graphic update. Like a lot of other people have said, there is no way they would make a low-fidelity model for 6.5 just to be replaced with a better model a few months after. Even though I wish I could have them, it's just not a good thing to get your hopes up just to be disappointed for 6.5 (/pat <wait.1> /pat). Better to expect nothing and be pleasantly surprised if they do announce them or just not get too hurt by them not including them.
There is a third option, but even that I am iffier about. They could announce them at the fan fest, then a week or so after release the benchmark.

[Aelsioln]

Speaking of faces, what faces do you think females should have?

The males have:
Face 1: Lion
Face 2: Tiger/Leopard
Face 3: Coeurl
Face 4: Ronso

I think the females could have:
Face 1: Lioness
Face 2: Cheetah/Panther/Caracal
Face 3:Coeurl
Face 4: Ronso

Honestly I think what you came up with would be the best lineup for the face themes, at least I can't think of anything that would better cover people's options, especially the idea now of a cheetah styled face since they have those unique trails down from the eyes. Apparently there is an African legend that those markings come from a cheetah mother who had her cubs stolen from her by a hunter and cried for so long that permanent tear streaks appeared on her face which she passed on to her future cubs. So oh man, I would make a cheetah looking Hrothgar in an instant if those markings were an option.

I will be really shocked if they don't give us a Ronso face as an option since they went out of the way to give that to the men, just makes sense for them both to have it then especially since they seem to love callbacks to other Final Fantasy games. The real question there is will they let us have a horn or are they gonna leave that men only? Give us the horned women, SE! Or heck, give the ladies two horns.

[Pip_Chick]

Honestly I think what you came up with would be the best lineup for the face themes, at least I can't think of anything that would better cover people's options, especially the idea now of a cheetah styled face since they have those unique trails down from the eyes. Apparently there is an African legend that those markings come from a cheetah mother who had her cubs stolen from her by a hunter and cried for so long that permanent tear streaks appeared on her face which she passed on to her future cubs. So oh man, I would make a cheetah looking Hrothgar in an instant if those markings were an option.

I will be really shocked if they don't give us a Ronso face as an option since they went out of the way to give that to the men, just makes sense for them both to have it then especially since they seem to love callbacks to other Final Fantasy games. The real question there is will they let us have a horn or are they gonna leave that men only? Give us the horned women, SE! Or heck, give the ladies two horns.

Thank you, was really thinking about that for a while. The legend sounds so cool! I hope if they do add a cheetah face option they do allow those streaks!

And I am 99% sure they give us the Ronso face. Mostly because of the popular fan art of the gender bend Kimahri, and if what they said that they looked at fan art when designing male Viera is true, there is to be believed that they would do the same for Female Hrothgar so the Gender bend Kimahri as face 4 and maybe take inspiration from Karmaho's art for the rest XD.

As for the Horn I really, really, really want one for the females too! But in FFX only male Ronso had a horn...

[Midareyukki]

As for the Horn I really, really, really want one for the females too! But in FFX only male Ronso had a horn...

That we've seen/that we have designed

I believe the Ronso of Spira were just all "same-face" because they were NPCs, and that they actually did have a lot more differences than met the eye. So too do Hrothgar, who much like human beings look distinct.

We don't see many female Ronso going around in Spira, since there isn't any major female character of the race that's noteworthy, same for the Guado.

So chances are there are some out there who do have a horn. We just never saw one in the one game they ever showed up.

[Pip_Chick]

I had a thought. It might not be true, but thought about putting it out there. The have started working of Female Hrothgar last year around January. A lot of people that work with 3D models do know that this process, does take time, at most 3 months. Animations another 2 months and gear fitting about 4 or 5 months. So they should have everything done by the 10 or 11th month.
Do you guys think that there might have been a chance for the team to take the opportunity and also revisit the male models as well? I am not refering to the head since that problem seems to be solvable now, but more the body/hunch?
I would really like if the male models also got some love, even if that is just the option to remove the hunch.

[Aelsioln]

I had a thought. It might not be true, but thought about putting it out there. The have started working of Female Hrothgar last year around January. A lot of people that work with 3D models do know that this process, does take time, at most 3 months. Animations another 2 months and gear fitting about 4 or 5 months. So they should have everything done by the 10 or 11th month.
Do you guys think that there might have been a chance for the team to take the opportunity and also revisit the male models as well? I am not refering to the head since that problem seems to be solvable now, but more the body/hunch?
I would really like if the male models also got some love, even if that is just the option to remove the hunch.

It would be great if they made the hunch a toggle similar to how a certain other game eventually did for their hunched over orc men. Wouldn't that mean though having to redo how things like armor fits on them? Since a posture change I assume would cause clipping and might even need some changes to certain animations. I feel like they would announce if they were working on something like that or give some sort of hint that they're taking a look at Hrothgar men as well but at the same time it would make for a nice surprise. Might wait until they start working more on customization options for all the races to add something like this though.

[CidHeiral]

Do you guys think that there might have been a chance for the team to take the opportunity and also revisit the male models as well?

Every race is getting remodeled but to what extent remains to be seen. If I recall correctly they've previously spoken about how the character creation of Hrothgar functions a certain way because of memory limitations. Presumably that will no longer be an issue with the graphical update, so who knows what they might change in that regard. I wouldn't hold your breath for an upright option though as much as I'd like to see that as well.

[Pip_Chick]

Every race is getting remodeled but to what extent remains to be seen. If I recall correctly they've previously spoken about how the character creation of Hrothgar functions a certain way because of memory limitations. Presumably that will no longer be an issue with the graphical update, so who knows what they might change in that regard. I wouldn't hold your breath for an upright option though as much as I'd like to see that as well.

Thank you, I knew that they would retouch the old models, but didn't think of the memory limitation and how it might be increased with the coming of 7.0.
I am going to hope for an upright posture for male and female Hrothgar though. My poor boys need to see a chiropractor! That and I hope the females will stand str8.

I think the posture problem with Hrothgar is the 3rd most requested feature after hair and hats.

[Midareyukki]

Every race is getting remodeled but to what extent remains to be seen. If I recall correctly they've previously spoken about how the character creation of Hrothgar functions a certain way because of memory limitations. Presumably that will no longer be an issue with the graphical update, so who knows what they might change in that regard. I wouldn't hold your breath for an upright option though as much as I'd like to see that as well.

I don't know about memory limitations, but it is true ours is peculiar. A lot of the options you see in the character creator is rehashed for other races, even if they don't behave the same way. Things such as sliders and selectable options. It's why some races don't have muscle sliders, but have something else instead. So for a race as complex as Hrothgars, they'd need to have a lot more leeway, which they currently don't have.

First, the "legacy" races (including Male Miqo'te and Female Roegadyn) will be the ones tweaked with the graphic update. Then will come the rest. And after that, who knows. Odds are we'll never get a new race, but we MIGHT get racial variants.

[Allegor]

Every race is getting remodeled but to what extent remains to be seen. If I recall correctly they've previously spoken about how the character creation of Hrothgar functions a certain way because of memory limitations. Presumably that will no longer be an issue with the graphical update, so who knows what they might change in that regard. I wouldn't hold your breath for an upright option though as much as I'd like to see that as well.

They are? I thought it'd just be like a HD retouch to their skin and eyes texture but would stay the same otherwise.

I hope they are small and dainty like miqo females. They could of nice manes and have skin colors like mooncats. If they are made otherwise not many people will play them like the males. They should take what works and include it in the hroth females so they get more players and make it worth the time.

that's some healer skill floor level bait, but thanks for helping keeping the thread up o/