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  1. #71
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    Absimiliard's Avatar
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    Cassius Rex
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    Louisoix
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    Gladiator Lv 90
    Simple answer:
    No, no they do not. The game really needs to double down on forcing them to learn before they come and subject the rest of us to their existence.
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  2. #72
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    SieyaM's Avatar
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    Sieya Mizuno
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    Gilgamesh
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    Arcanist Lv 100
    I would say most of us play alright, well enough that my expert and 90 roulettes don't take more than 15 minutes per. Are we all playing at the bleeding edge with competitive numbers against those that are running spreadsheets to max out sub stats and get maybe one extra oGCD in per run, no. The thing is, especially with FFlogs, is if everyone was playing optimally and every player was miraculously within 100 DPS of each other, someone would still be in the bottom and still be a grey parse.
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  3. #73
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    Niroken's Avatar
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    Nanaki Naki
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    Famfrit
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    White Mage Lv 90
    We are almost at Level 100 and the content is roughly as difficult as Level 50. One hundred levels of tutorial. People don't get better unless they have a reason to.
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  4. #74
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    Renalt's Avatar
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    Renalt El'doran
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    Balmung
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    Bard Lv 90


    My paint skills are elementary. However the average is green/blue IMO
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    When you deal with human beings, never count on logic or consistency.

    Fluid like water. Smooth like silk. Pepperoni like pizza.

  5. #75
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    Na'mira Yarhu
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    Zodiark
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    Dragoon Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Renalt View Post


    My paint skills are elementary. However the average is green/blue IMO
    is that really your experience? it certainly isnt mine. grey and especially red would be much bigger

    in random content, not tslking about extremes and savages
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    Last edited by Asari5; 02-03-2023 at 01:17 PM.

  6. #76
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    Renalt's Avatar
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    Renalt El'doran
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    Balmung
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    Bard Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Asari5 View Post
    is that really your experience? it certainly isnt mine. grey and especially red would be much bigger

    in random content, not tslking about extremes and savages
    Well. Yeah. That is my experience. Yeah I come across some brain dead people but those are few and far in between. MOST my dungeon/trial/Alliance raids ( even outside the CT set ) usually go on with NO issues.
    (0)
    When you deal with human beings, never count on logic or consistency.

    Fluid like water. Smooth like silk. Pepperoni like pizza.

  7. #77
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    SturmChurro's Avatar
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    Sturm Churro
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    Marilith
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renalt View Post


    My paint skills are elementary. However the average is green/blue IMO
    I'd say red is the average at best. Anything past red is above average, in my experience.

    Quote Originally Posted by Renalt View Post
    Well. Yeah. That is my experience. Yeah I come across some brain dead people but those are few and far in between. MOST my dungeon/trial/Alliance raids ( even outside the CT set ) usually go on with NO issues.
    That's because the content is dumbed down mostly. You can get by with a lot in most content nowadays, and it can effectively be brute forced, or by some carrying the others.
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    Last edited by SturmChurro; 02-03-2023 at 01:37 PM.
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  8. #78
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    Rein_eon_Osborne's Avatar
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    Mira Clearweaver
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renalt View Post


    My paint skills are elementary. However the average is green/blue IMO
    A picture worth thousand words.

    On my end, the reds & greens are the largest. Reds should be about the same size as greens too.
    (2)

    "Outside obvious jokes/sarcasm, I aim to convey my words to the future readers who may come across mine posts. Can I change -your- mind, somehow? Potentially... but that's not why I'm writing. You and I have wrote our piece(s). We don't necessarily need to change each other's mind. But we can change other's."

  9. #79
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    Renalt's Avatar
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    Renalt El'doran
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    Yikes. I'm sorry people have had a lot of issues with others. I guess I've been lucky cause there has been only ONE instance where people just bailed from continued failure and that was the Bird and Portal trial. I stayed with the group cause I knew there was a 1st timer and I wanted them to be able to clear but unfortunately I was a DPS and not a healer and the healers kept biting it.

    Most of the time if we wipe...it's just the once. Rarely twice.

    As SturmChrro said...it IS stupidly easy. I've been lucky to be grouped with randoms that could handle it without a single word being exchanged.
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    When you deal with human beings, never count on logic or consistency.

    Fluid like water. Smooth like silk. Pepperoni like pizza.

  10. #80
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    Gairovald Dryden
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    Goblin
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    Scholar Lv 90
    No they do not, most play FFXIV for the social aspect and treat this like second life.

    I would love for the devs to "enforce" better playstyles but only way I can see that happening is making normal content harder which doesn't work and just promotes leeching (Which we already have now) or players just outright dropping certain content.
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    Last edited by Gariored; 02-03-2023 at 02:19 PM.

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