Did SE threaten to not make ultimates anymore?

[Kaurhz]

putting words in people's mouths I see, as usual with this community. Its just literally a self-reflective thought he expressed regarding the integrity of creating this kind of content.

Pretty much going with this - I don't think it's made as an attempt at threat. It does feel more like self-reflection, and probably more importantly, an attempt at trying to position the community participating to actually reflect on how they approach content.

More a philosophical afterthought than a genuine tone for removing the content - It's easy to conflate the two though, depending on the mentality that you go into the post with.

I wouldn't think too much into it - I think regardless we're still a long stretch away from them genuinely considering to drop ultimate.

[DivineP]

I don't think this translates into a threat or him not making ultimates any more.

What I think he meant was "We work hard on this, for people whose express purpose is the challenge. If you use tools to remove the challenge and get an upper edge over your competitors, what was the point of us agreeing to make these fights? Who are we making it for?"

Because keep in mind, today it was 3rd Party tools. Back then, when UWU came out, people datamined the game to figure out mechanics.

And at that time, there were people who asked "Okay, so what was the point of making a harder fight designed to make you explore your options and figure things out if you're just going to circumvent it?"

I totally agree with this. Yoshis a gamer like us. Things are designed around learning not automation. Add-ons just ruin the fun.

[Ivtrix]

they will never stop making ultimates

everyone is reading too much into it

[RyuDragnier]

they will never stop making ultimates

everyone is reading too much into it

It's possible. I mean, barely 3% of the playerbase touches them, so losing ultimates really only effects that 3%, and not anybody else.

[Leifei]

I think Yoshi made this statement towards cheaters or would be cheaters. Basically saying there's no point in playing hard content if you have to cheat to win. That's my guess at least. If I'm guessing correctly, then I completely agree with him.

[Ivtrix]

It's possible. I mean, barely 3% of the playerbase touches them, so losing ultimates really only effects that 3%, and not anybody else.

they would have never made them in the first place if thats the expected engagement

far more people than you think touch the content

[Avatre]

I think Yoshi made this statement towards cheaters or would be cheaters. Basically saying there's no point in playing hard content if you have to cheat to win. That's my guess at least. If I'm guessing correctly, then I completely agree with him.

Either that, or wondering what the point of making the content is if people are just going to cheat to do it.

Either way, I can understand his frustration at having his team make something, that probably takes much more effort to create than other parts of the game, and having people not even attempt to do it in the way it was meant to be played, clearing it easily and then complaining there isn't anything hard for them to do.

[DivineP]

I think Yoshi made this statement towards cheaters or would be cheaters. Basically saying there's no point in playing hard content if you have to cheat to win. That's my guess at least. If I'm guessing correctly, then I completely agree with him.

I think so too. I've noticed they are trying to change things per instance - the recent raid is one if them. I hope they really reinforce their TOS in the 7.0 revamp. The fights are so scripted.

[Nihility]

if they're going to keep making them like the last two, I'm on board with the idea
stop making ludicrous stuff for a super minority and put those resources somewhere useful

If they're going to learn from the whole "why is everyone cheating to get clears?" and "why were the first three ultimates so much more successful?"
perhaps questioning will be good for him anyways

[ForteNightshade]

I totally agree with this. Yoshis a gamer like us. Things are designed around learning not automation. Add-ons just ruin the fun.

Correction: Specific add-ons ruin the fun.

The overwhelming majority of add-ons, plugins and mods are simple quality of life upgrades or purely cosmetic. What's made third party plugins become so prevalent is they address long standing issues with the game Square Enix simply refused to or set it as low priority. Is it not a little convenient things like being able to highlight physical and magical damage or having buff timers displayed on the party list were implemented immediately after Dragonsong highlighted them yet have been asked about for years prior. This sort of response outright encourages people to keep pushing those boundaries because it's shown to actually produce results whereas being patient and asking leads to nothing.

Then you venture into parsers which impact the game is a massive way. Those rotation every one of us uses from the Balance? All mathed out via a parser. A game designed around hard enrages will naturally encourage the use of damage meters because people playing at that level want some idea of their performance. Without ACT, you literally have zero idea what are causing DPS issues. There's a reason practically every MMO except FFXIV has them officially implemented.