Can we have an official response on the RMT sub FC farms?

[Ayan_Calvesse]

I think that's fantastic. It's just worth noting that as easy as it is for you to do that, it's just as easy for someone else to abuse it. That's what this thread is about. It's nothing to do with players like you or even any individual player period.

This thread is simply asking for an official stance by SE regarding the ghost towning of wards by crypto-like sub farms. Again no doubt most folks are benign in hoarding a communal resource but it would be very silly to assume that not a single one abuses it for RMT, even if it's just in exchange for a time card or Amazon wishlist.

It's also worth noting that the idea that everyone only gets one bid is patently false. FCs have the unique ability to place multiple bids on plots, only limited by their gil and characters. To try to imply a user with multiple gil cap worth is on a level playing field with the average player is misleading at best.

I would strongly advise removing the mention of Sub-farms; as there are other lucrative means for people to earn gil that are far more shady - sub farms are actually a ball busting level of labour and commitment to get to the point where your turning a huge profit.

I mean the reality is RMT is a issue that should be closed.

[Jojoya]

Wow, this went all over the place fast.

Going back to the orginal topic title and post:

Can we have an official response on the RMT sub FC farms?

It's been established, despite previously locking players to one personal plot per character, that entire wards are still owned by single players for the sole purpose of abusing submarines. This obviously has large RMT ramifications due to the amount of gil generated by this. Not to mention leaving wards feeling barren.

Noone deserves griefing or harassment so I feel it's in everyone's best interest if SE directly confronts this abuse and makes clear their intention with allowing a single individual to essentially set up crypto-like farms that suck the life out of a neighborhood and waste communal resources.

SE's official response is the same for the sub farms as any other forms of RMT: It is against the Terms of Service. Did you really have to make this post to learn that?

Owning more than one house is neither griefing nor harassment. It is allowed by SE and there are no requirements that house owners use their houses in any particular way.

Do many of us feel that this is something SE should not allow considering the difficulty many players have getting a house? Sure. But it should be clear by now that SE feels otherwise. Instead of adding more restrictions to ownership of multiple houses, they've decided to gradually throw more wards at the problem to try to make houses available to those without one.

If you want to accuse any particular multi-house owners of RMT, collect your evidence and submit it to the Special Task Force for investigation. Creating a thread like this accomplishes nothing useful as the 120+ responses before this one should demonstrate.

I understand the frustration that many have in trying to get a house. This is the wrong way to approach the problem.

[CatStarwind]

I understand the frustration that many have in trying to get a house. This is the wrong way to approach the problem.

That's a little dismissive of those who already have the plots they want and still consider this problem an eye sore. It also ignores that this same situation eventually led to the restriction on personal plots for individual characters. Without discussion SE is free to believe everything is honky-dory. That's why this is important. Believing that everyone who floods an entire ward with single member FCs to make crypto-like sub farms does RMT is just as silly as believing none of them do. And just as wards owned by single characters was a perception problem so is this.

[Nepentha]

OH hey! I'm halfway to my first bil. My goal's to get to the point where I've got all my retainers maxxed out as well as myself. Maybe that's a bit OTT but... perdy number hurr durr. < a rough approximation of what I probably sound like to my FC mates.

I'm the same way with my social groups lol. "Guys guys guys, x, y and z actually sold! I made $x today!" \o/

My friends, politely head patting me the whole time.

[Midlithe]

I understand the frustration that many have in trying to get a house. This is the wrong way to approach the problem.

Not really - a big ole spotlight should be pointed on the problem. Lets be honest here, those with multiple shell FC's just to have Sub Farms are doing so strictly to increase wealth and preventing other players and FC's at a chance to do the same. Normally - I wouldn't care as I like farming, crafting and increasing wealth as well.

BUT... not at the loss to other players gaming experience. Having dozens of 1 person FC houses is complete BS and SE should come into each of those wards with a giant wrecking ball and start taking them down. (IMHO)

[Chii-Chan]

Personal homes themselves deny players as a whole from experiencing housing. Small FCs are not a problem statistically in wards as a whole.
Buses Vs Cars = FC vs Personal
(1) 30-man FC is the equivalent of a whole ward of personal homes.

Pre-lottery 70%~ of homes were being swallowed by personal housing. Making it more difficult for FCs, and thus -more players- from having access to housing. Players commune around FC homes, not random personal houses spread out across Eorzea.

Personal housing was a mistake with a limited supply and a growing playerbase. If it wasn't for FC only wards, Personals would absorb the growing room for FCs as is evident in the current mixed wards. When all or most wards eventually go mixed, it will slowly return to the -vast- personal home majority.

[CatStarwind]

One player FCs are not small FCs. They also have no problem owning entire wards so I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that personal housing is a mistake.

Personal housing is limited to one bid, one plot, one character and is the reason why so many new players were able to obtain a plot.

Might be worth applying the same to FCs since they are still suffering the same problem personal housing once hand.

[ameliaw]

Personal homes themselves deny players as a whole from experiencing housing. Small FCs are not a problem statistically in wards as a whole.
Buses Vs Cars = FC vs Personal
(1) 30-man FC is the equivalent of a whole ward of personal homes.

Pre-lottery 70%~ of homes were being swallowed by personal housing. Making it more difficult for FCs, and thus -more players- from having access to housing. Players commune around FC homes, not random personal houses spread out across Eorzea.

Personal housing was a mistake with a limited supply and a growing playerbase. If it wasn't for FC only wards, Personals would absorb the growing room for FCs as is evident in the current mixed wards. When all or most wards eventually go mixed, it will slowly return to the -vast- personal home majority.

I hope they never make the current FC wards mixed. They make up for only 25% of wards by now.

[CharlotteSchweizer]

I have never seen so many self-reports in a single thread. If you're so insistent that SE isn't going to do anything about it, why come argue in the forums when it's also obvious all the likes are from your mates?

Anyway.

Collecting data and presenting it is going to be more valuable for demonstrating your case than threads like this one. Doubtless SE already sees far more data than this, but if you want to make a convincing argument to the people here, you need data. Asking questions just opens up the cans of worms we've seen in the last couple of threads like this one. Might also be good to sanitize character and group names in the presented data.

[DixieBellOCE]

Not RMT.
YoshiP has already referenced it in a live letter and separately talked about workshops/subs of some kind for personal houses.

I know you're new to the game and all, but maybe do a little digging before jumping the gun.

Can confirm that some players that own well over 300 houses make a gil cap every month, and have been doing so for years. That gil doesn't magically just disappear into thin air. They do RMT it off (how else do they pay for all the subscriptions to keep the farm active)