Review of 6.3 Story Content

[ReynTime]

I say at the end of Endwalker, the WoL and all the scions should sit around a table and eat some succulent burgers.

With agressive close-ups of their chewing and biting mouths and with Paradisaical Predicaments playing in the background.

[Kes13a]

With agressive close-ups of their chewing and biting mouths and with Paradisaical Predicaments playing in the background.

and focusing mainly on Graha and Yshtola enjoying their burgers...

(please note I am not a huge fan of the puppy, nor do I loathe Yshtola, they are after all.. just characters in a story)

[Jybril]

Well I'll be honest OP that I have no idea what's going on anymore after 6.0. As a matter of fact, after the Zodiark thing, I dropped it.
I'm just not gonna deal with this cringe writing bull anymore and them throwing things out of no where.
Completely lost it when the Loli birb and her boyfriend was the ones all along! LOL.

These writers are either new or some people they pulled from some fanfic websites and said go. The issue is the horrible pacing that is
tremendously worse than SB. We literally saved the ENTIRE world in 1 patch and then we supposedly 'split up' but we don't. So I am yet again,
stuck with the same bozo's for 2 expansion years or so and I want frigging cry.
The only people I feel like deserve more time is probably the twins and Eisteninininin.

Also, do not bother bringing the idiot catman with us. You guys turned him into a joke and I wish he crystalized instead of being this weird teehee :3 borgers cringe thing.
Actually, you could had given us all a bone and let him be with Lyna so they could be a couple. Nope. You just had to go the weeb route with it and
then you focus on all these random hot anime guys in white robes with mommy Venat lol.

I will have a hard time believing the people who wrote HW is writing this dumpster fire.
I hope they actually just do better in 7.0 but the bits I hear about 6.1- to .3 is just uninteresting and uninspired.
Next time you wanna 'end' a series or story...how about doing it at the END of the expansion?

[aveyond-dreams]

6.3 story does seem like the filler you would mark as "just skip it, doesn't carry over to anything /shrug".

Both the MSQ and myths had me twitching the skip button so badly, lol.

Although the story was awful, I loved each and every fight, EX5, the alliance raid fights and their music are stellar. But really, the writers really need to stop turning Golbez into the Jailer and Zero being some Sylvanas slash Venat but edgier.
Rubicante was dealt a really bad hand IMO. He should have had far far more story time in the MSQ, and lead up to his fight, because the fight itself was actually pretty fun, and the theme was amazing too. Rubicante boy deserved much much better.
At this point, I really wish there was a third or fourth option in dialogue to simply diss the scions, and their obnoxious/insufferable characters, speaking of which that new femroe in the Myth story, is literally auto skip now.

I hope the writers for the new deep dungeon story aren't the ones behind the MSQ and Myth story, would feel a bit tragic to skip, if it goes full clownmode too.

Unfortunately we know that the likes of G'raha Tia is involved in the Deep Dungeon story so I can only imagine that it'll be another questline that you couldn't pay me to endure firsthand. A pity Maehiro wasn't around long enough to permanently kill off more of Ishikawa's ocs.

Well I'll be honest OP that I have no idea what's going on anymore after 6.0. As a matter of fact, after the Zodiark thing, I dropped it.
I'm just not gonna deal with this cringe writing bull anymore and them throwing things out of no where.
Completely lost it when the Loli birb and her boyfriend was the ones all along! LOL.

These writers are either new or some people they pulled from some fanfic websites and said go. The issue is the horrible pacing that is
tremendously worse than SB. We literally saved the ENTIRE world in 1 patch and then we supposedly 'split up' but we don't. So I am yet again,
stuck with the same bozo's for 2 expansion years or so and I want frigging cry.
The only people I feel like deserve more time is probably the twins and Eisteninininin.

Also, do not bother bringing the idiot catman with us. You guys turned him into a joke and I wish he crystalized instead of being this weird teehee :3 borgers cringe thing.
Actually, you could had given us all a bone and let him be with Lyna so they could be a couple. Nope. You just had to go the weeb route with it and
then you focus on all these random hot anime guys in white robes with mommy Venat lol.

I will have a hard time believing the people who wrote HW is writing this dumpster fire.
I hope they actually just do better in 7.0 but the bits I hear about 6.1- to .3 is just uninteresting and uninspired.
Next time you wanna 'end' a series or story...how about doing it at the END of the expansion?

Same. Only thing to note is that the blame for the current state of the story doesn't lie at Maehiro's feet or the rest of the Heavensward team. Even localization took a nosedive this expansion with examples like "the words of the crystal's original bearer" confusing mess with Koji gone as well. I'd much rather place the game back in the hands of theatre kids/nerds than fan fiction writers obsessed with their "unique" characters, that's for sure.

[CStrife912]

Unfortunately we know that the likes of G'raha Tia is involved in the Deep Dungeon story so I can only imagine that it'll be another questline that you couldn't pay me to endure firsthand. A pity Maehiro wasn't around long enough to permanently kill off more of Ishikawa's ocs.



Same. Only thing to note is that the blame for the current state of the story doesn't lie at Maehiro's feet or the rest of the Heavensward team. Even localization took a nosedive this expansion with examples like "the words of the crystal's original bearer" confusing mess with Koji gone as well. I'd much rather place the game back in the hands of theatre kids/nerds than fan fiction writers obsessed with their "unique" characters, that's for sure.

Sadly this honestly feels like you conversing with alts of yourself XD like you only quote and ramble to people loosely following a similar mindset but even then they at least have comprehension for the most part. I will just keep enjoying these posts every patch and just see if they keep posting about record numbers etc in the future because the game is far from decline that's for sure. If it were such a problem they would of addressed it as it's their main cash cow they aren't entirely blind to problems...unless you include the CEOs hill to die on NFT stint but that's another topic for another time.

[Gemina]

Just finished up with MSQ and Alliance stuff. Though I did the latter on patch day. I'm still digesting the MSQ, so I want to refrain from starting/joining any arguments on that regard and I have only read the OP.

As far as the alliance raid goes, I was really hoping they would not link this to Venat and the ancients, and keep the twelve completely separate from that timeline. They went and did it though, and I feel it is lazy writing. I understand it would have taken a lot of effort to come up with a completely different storyline that is all their own, but that effort would have made it all the more worthwhile. The ancient's obsession with genocide definitely has me understand why Azem defected from both convocations, and I'm right there with them. It's like being part of a generation you're not proud of. Where this leaves me now if far less interested in the twelve than I previously was.

My initial thoughts on the MSQ hasn't really waned from where it has been in a while, and the constant callbacks to previous FF games makes it really difficult for FFXIV to stand on its own two feet. I suppose I can see this for things like raids, and other content outside the MSQ. That was done really well with the Omega raids. But here we have the twelve, which is exclusive to FFXIV, and this is the raid, while the MSQ is siphoning off FFIV like there's no tomorrow. So much so, that those who know that game well can probably predict how this whole thing ends. That's not what you want as a writer.

[Raven2014]

As far as the alliance raid goes, I was really hoping they would not link this to Venat and the ancients, and keep the twelve completely separate from that timeline. They went and did it though, and I feel it is lazy writing. I understand it would have taken a lot of effort to come up with a completely different storyline that is all their own, but that effort would have made it all the more worthwhile.

I don't think there can be other way though. If they leave the twelve as their own being, then they'll have to answer the question why did the twelve not intervene during the first final day. The Ancient was already pretty much god like, and if the twelve are true divine being even beyond them, that'll be a pretty big plot hole. As far as the storyboard goes, I don't think it's lazy, just make sense if Venat had a plan beside simply nuke the world with the sunder and left to its own device. The philosophy behind the twelve method of of operation also fit well how she wants to prep mankind to ultimately face the End Singer.

The issue is, like I said, the "way" FF14 tell its story. I had said only during the launch story arch that you legit see an appropriate amount of effort put in. But that's pretty much done as soon as the credit roll. The next 3 years, the "after story" portion in the next 3 years are just given very plainly. Even if the storyline is good, even if it's logical, the delivery is very much lazy. There usually no build up, no prep, most of the time we have a new random NPC that we have no connection just stop by, talk a handful of line and we're somehow got drag to the next earth shaking adventure.

And most zarring part about this particular story line is it feels like no one really give a crap about meeting the twelves. Like Ghara came back with the contraption and he seems to put more emphasis on making sure to return it safely because the forum only "loan" it to them. Like ... really? We're meeting "the" twelve Gods here, you would think as soon as the world got out everyone will pool resource into an expedition, not treating it as a favor for a side project. Like seriously, I think the only reason they put that over-excited fem-roe in there (to the point of cringe) is an effort to instill the kind of excitement they think people should have about the storyline but know only a few would.


tl;dr: the after story cycle of FF14 is like a counting only on the lyric to carry the performance while putting in minimum effort in the stage and instrument itself, and it has been this way since 2.0.

[Hurlstone]

Just finished up with MSQ and Alliance stuff. Though I did the latter on patch day. I'm still digesting the MSQ, so I want to refrain from starting/joining any arguments on that regard and I have only read the OP.

As far as the alliance raid goes, I was really hoping they would not link this to Venat and the ancients, and keep the twelve completely separate from that timeline. They went and did it though, and I feel it is lazy writing. I understand it would have taken a lot of effort to come up with a completely different storyline that is all their own, but that effort would have made it all the more worthwhile. The ancient's obsession with genocide definitely has me understand why Azem defected from both convocations, and I'm right there with them. It's like being part of a generation you're not proud of. Where this leaves me now if far less interested in the twelve than I previously was.

I can understand why people wanted the Twelve to not be related to Vanet/Hydaelyn (Even outside the whole hate she gets) and perhaps a twist would have been more intriguing, but I think it also makes perfect sense that they are connected. I like the idea that Hydaelyn knew the Sundering could wreck unintended havoc on reality and installed them on Etheirys like an anti-virus (Though why just on the Source… unless each Shard has their own version of the Twelve who protect them?). Its more little bits of info like that I want to see in regards to what we know about the Sundering and original Final Days, which is still very little. It is worth remembering too that we still have at least 1/3rd of the Raid story to go. We do not yet know the exact reason why they have revealed themselves and wish to battle us, and that may very well change how we see the information we received in 6.3.

My initial thoughts on the MSQ hasn't really waned from where it has been in a while, and the constant callbacks to previous FF games makes it really difficult for FFXIV to stand on its own two feet.

I must say that, whilst I have been enjoying the 6.x MSQ very much, I am a little disappointed in just how the FFIV elements are being used. Now I am fine with the game taking past game elements and incorporating them in their own ways (I also liked the Nier stuff) and I utterly adore what we have seen about the Thirteenth, Void culture, the Contramemoria ect, but the Fiends aspect feels a little lacklustre. Bit too ‘copy and paste’. Feels like they could do more to intagrate them into the wider fabric of the Thriteenth. Speaking of which, it kinda boggles my mind how the most interesting parts to the Four Fiends, their backstories and how they joined Golbez, is hidden in an optional side quest many will miss! At leats give it a blue ! so more people will find it...

I am very curious just how we will see Golbez by the end of this patch cycle. I still think they can do good by him, and I adore his voice actor.

[Wildsprite]

I know this will probably sound bad but I'm hoping the next patch they animate much more food(and make it look really tasty) just to annoy the OP

[Gemina]

I don't think there can be other way though. If they leave the twelve as their own being, then they'll have to answer the question why did the twelve not intervene during the first final day. The Ancient was already pretty much god like, and if the twelve are true divine being even beyond them, that'll be a pretty big plot hole. As far as the storyboard goes, I don't think it's lazy, just make sense if Venat had a plan beside simply nuke the world with the sunder and left to its own device. The philosophy behind the twelve method of of operation also fit well how she wants to prep mankind to ultimately face the End Singer.

I see where you're coming from. I do understand the difficulty with going the direction I was hoping for in order to prevent plot holes. I suppose I shouldn't say "lazy writing", but it is definitely the easier approach to the implementation of the Twelve. The thing is though, the twelve had nothing to do with Endsinger as for as preparation goes. Venat's haymakers were Azem, and the moon. The latter of which could only be temporary as the Endsinger planned on eradicating all life in existence. Assuming it is not covered in 6.5, we may never know how exactly the twelve would contend with the end of days if Azem failed. The plot hole is still potentially an issue.