Please add damage meters, Yoshi P.

[shadowclasper]

Thank god using damage meters and admitting to it is a bannable offense. It does mean that I don't know for certain if someone deserves to be on my block list when I have just met them on a pug, but I'll accept that small flaw in the otherwise beautiful world where jackasses can't inflict their opinion on me about or relative superiority in hitting 1-0 and Ctrl in a 2 or 3 second gap rhythm game

Let's the hardcore folks use it to improve their gameplay in private statics without risking complete jerks from spewing their toxicity allover the place

[FireMage]

Thank god using damage meters and admitting to it is a bannable offense. It does mean that I don't know for certain if someone deserves to be on my block list when I have just met them on a pug, but I'll accept that small flaw in the otherwise beautiful world where jackasses can't inflict their opinion on me about or relative superiority in hitting 1-0 and Ctrl in a 2 or 3 second gap rhythm game

Let's the hardcore folks use it to improve their gameplay in private statics without risking complete jerks from spewing their toxicity allover the place

You are an across the board graylet. The toxic one is you

[Zebraoracle]

This just in: Harassment will suddenly be allowed if damage meters were added to the game.

[FireMage]

This just in: Harassment will suddenly be allowed if damage meters were added to the game.

This just in: Dealing with bads isn't harassment

[Semirhage]

I find it ironic when people say allowing ACT would "create" toxicity. Watch me side-eye the bitchy passive-aggressive blacklists on 2ch, which exist even without the assistance of a damage meter.

FFXIV's community is absolutely okay with toxicity so long as it comes in the form of evasive mean-girl passive aggression. The addition of evidence to back up claims ruins the potemkin village "positivity" the community likes to put up when it comes to duty finder etiquette.

Turns out that most people who aren't nuts can read damage number outputs in Aurum Vale, roll their eyes once, and finish the thing without comment. It's not that uncommon. Turns out having number readouts isn't what makes someone unpleasant.

[Bobby66]

Parsing can be misused but statically you are more like ro have neutral or positive encounter. Now if you have underline issues that cannot be known to the general public, poor internet, faulty rig, new player, and other limitations then yes you are going to have a higher chance to run into someone that calls you, and it very well may be majority of your individual time. Still using extreme cases is disingenuous when it comes to saying parsing bad.

I am pretty no one will.a straight face can say most of their encounters in WoW had someone bash another for DPS, and in the cases that they it was brought up objectively they most likely under performing. What I am saying for general player base you will not run into many cases of parsing abuse in leveling content if you are trying and actively using or trying to use a standard rotation for your role.

Also let us be fair FFXIV is high up on the "toxic community" list we are just more passive aggressive about it so this makes it magically tolerable. I get it personal accountability blows ass, no one wants to face the reality they play like shit and it is easier to just use the metric of I cleared the fight so I must be doing well enough. If that is how you feel sure.

[Zebraoracle]

Parsing can be misused but statically you are more like ro have neutral or positive encounter. Now if you have underline issues that cannot be known to the general public, poor internet, faulty rig, new player, and other limitations then yes you are going to have a higher chance to run into someone that calls you, and it very well may be majority of your individual time. Still using extreme cases is disingenuous when it comes to saying parsing bad.

I am pretty no one will.a straight face can say most of their encounters in WoW had someone bash another for DPS, and in the cases that they it was brought up objectively they most likely under performing. What I am saying for general player base you will not run into many cases of parsing abuse in leveling content if you are trying and actively using or trying to use a standard rotation for your role.

Also let us be fair FFXIV is high up on the "toxic community" list we are just more passive aggressive about it so this makes it magically tolerable. I get it personal accountability blows ass, no one wants to face the reality they play like shit and it is easier to just use the metric of I cleared the fight so I must be doing well enough. If that is how you feel sure.

The WoW thing just boggles my mind lol. People in dungeon finder are, generally, more concerned with finishing and getting out than actually commenting on peoples' performance.

[Kaurhz]

I think kicking and deporting people from the party if they are objectively not playing up to the requirement to pass the duty, or if their performance doesn't meet the ascribed reason for the party forming in the first place (e.g., parsing or farm parties) - Then this is OK, I don't think it is inherently toxic to do so.

I do, however, think it is toxic to shame people for such, especially when it provides no inherent advantage to anyone whatsoever in the game, beyond feeding one already clearly fragile ego, then, this is a problem. It is just unfortunate that these individuals often lack the requisite social skills to actually make this distinction. You can kick people from the group and just say you don't believe they adequately fit the requirement for the party without being rude or disrespectful. - I find it incredibly ironic that these people are so keen to try and ascribe malice to something that can just as easily be described by either inexperience or just not having the requisite practice with the job. It's also further ironic that these people so willing to ascribe toxicity are often those that exhibit higher levels of toxicity, with the only distinction being their complete and utter lack of self-awareness.

That being said, I absolutely give my sympathies out to people who would genuinely benefit from using such things, most especially when they use it in the direction of community-created content. Seeing as the underlying concept of parsing does actually allow for community-created content. These people genuinely have my deepest sympathies when a facet of their gameplay is given a bad stigma courtesy of individuals that simply misuse these tools. I would take this chance too, to say I wholeheartedly think that parsing is not the issue, just the community - I would even argue in this respect a subset of the community is just as toxic as any other.

[VelKallor]

You have a diadain for a tool because people misuse it and abuse it

Yes. I do. Your response is why. it can be and has been and will be abused.

So you are again proving my point.

[VelKallor]

I think kicking and deporting people from the party if they are objectively not playing up to the requirement to pass the duty, or if their performance doesn't meet the ascribed reason for the party forming in the first place (e.g., parsing or farm parties) - Then this is OK, I don't think it is inherently toxic to do so.

"You did xxxx dps I want uyyyy dps"

"You did xxx dps, but my values are ( insert ridiculous figure ) so you didnt do enough"

And,....the oldie but a gooidie

" You won the roll but I dont think you did enough dps so Im giving iut to this person ( insert name of buddy or friend or girlfriend"

DPS meters have what I call a cascade effect, you do xx dps they say they want y dps..you do that and they want more..and more and more until it becomes a sick joke. People become fixated on "performance metrics" and "throughput" and key performance" and "acceptable dps vs arbitrary figure they pull out of their rear"

Thats not a game

Thats a job.

No.