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  1. #11
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    Sinstrel's Avatar
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    Sinstrel Muran'khana
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    Gilgamesh
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    Dragoon Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Valence View Post
    One just has to look at the leaderboard for the top 100 every season: first season was decently rated crystal players everywhere, this current season it drops down to diamond or even plat on some DCs.
    It drops down to bronze teir, 1 single win* on some DCs (Materia)
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  2. #12
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    SharCie's Avatar
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    Shar Cie
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    Sagittarius
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    Black Mage Lv 90
    thats so gross, I know PvP is not their focus but this is actually kind of embarrassing that basically dead content is allowed to exist in a state like this. At this point just get rid of PvP entirely if you dont want to invest enough into it I guess
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  3. #13
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    Valence's Avatar
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    Sunie Dakwhil
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    Twintania
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by SharCie View Post
    thats so gross, I know PvP is not their focus but this is actually kind of embarrassing that basically dead content is allowed to exist in a state like this. At this point just get rid of PvP entirely if you dont want to invest enough into it I guess
    The casual mode almost insta pops all day long, I don't think this qualifies as anything remotely close to embarassing or dead content, quite the contrary. And you want to remove pvp entirely just because one mode doesn't work due its whimsical audience?
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  4. #14
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    Shar Cie
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    Sagittarius
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    Black Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Valence View Post
    The casual mode almost insta pops all day long, I don't think this qualifies as anything remotely close to embarassing or dead content, quite the contrary. And you want to remove pvp entirely just because one mode doesn't work due its whimsical audience?
    That's fair I was a little emotional in that message mostly because I personally really want a populated ranked mode. I still do think tho that if you include a competitive mode and see it as separate content from the casual mode (And I do think that you can definetly do that given that people who play ranked don't always want to play casual or never even touch it and vice versa) that is is dead content. Of course I am speaking for a incredibly small minority here.
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  5. #15
    Player Gserpent's Avatar
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    Grinning Serpent
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    Maduin
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    Culinarian Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by SharCie View Post
    That's fair I was a little emotional in that message mostly because I personally really want a populated ranked mode. I still do think tho that if you include a competitive mode and see it as separate content from the casual mode (And I do think that you can definetly do that given that people who play ranked don't always want to play casual or never even touch it and vice versa) that is is dead content. Of course I am speaking for a incredibly small minority here.
    Bud, having been there for season 1, there ain't any damn difference between ranked and casual. Garbage players are all over the place in both modes. You'll never get the mythical "good players vs good players" games you're hoping for. You just get one guy from top 100 paired with four dudes that have been riding 0 credit for a month.
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  6. #16
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    SharCie's Avatar
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    Shar Cie
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    Sagittarius
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    Black Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Gserpent View Post
    Bud, having been there for season 1, there ain't any damn difference between ranked and casual. Garbage players are all over the place in both modes. You'll never get the mythical "good players vs good players" games you're hoping for. You just get one guy from top 100 paired with four dudes that have been riding 0 credit for a month.
    I am painfully aware dont worry, thats not what im hoping for either. I just like the idea of competing for ranked points I do not care about my teammates performance as long as I know I can perform. Yeah it sucks if I loose even if im doing good but at the same time sometimes it goes the other way. What I really want is literally just a mode in which I can rank up in and compete in for myself.
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  7. #17
    Player Ransu's Avatar
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    Raansu Omiyari
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    Gilgamesh
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    Samurai Lv 100
    Rewards aside, sadly I think de-rank killed the ranked mode the most even though it was kind of needed. People quit cuz they couldn't rank up, and then de-rank was introduced and even more people stopped playing. Most people don't like being in "elo hell" and while I think the season 1 design was bad cuz you'd get crystal rank full of 0 credit players, at least people were willing to keep playing ranked cuz they would progress through the tiers and not de-rank. I'd take season 1 system over the dead queue we have now for sure.
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  8. #18
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    Alijana Tumet
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    Cactuar
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    Ninja Lv 100
    It's funny that the intent of deranking was to make people "try harder" but now they just don't want to try at all because they get stuck wallowing in the pre-crystal ranks forever.

    If anything, they needed to just make it so you can only derank out of crystal so you don't get people testing jobs or intentionally throwing matches to boost others.
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    Last edited by KageTokage; 12-16-2022 at 02:23 PM.

  9. #19
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    Shar Cie
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    Sagittarius
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    Black Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by KageTokage View Post
    It's funny that the intent of deranking was to make people "try harder" but now they just don't want to try at all because they get stuck wallowing in the pre-crystal ranks forever.

    If anything, they needed to just make it so you can only derank out of crystal so you don't get people testing jobs or intentionally throwing matches to boost others.
    Deranking is healthy for a competitive game, it should be a thing so the skill is actually properly reflected. The problem here lies in how easy it is to rank up/down. Just needing the weird "you did good" Starts and you get promoted a tier is just not good it's too easy, esp if deranking is not available on every rank. I'd much prefer an elo system with numbers rather than what currently exists and make it much harder to actually rank up a single tier
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  10. #20
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    Sunie Dakwhil
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    Twintania
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Just to make sure I understand what everybody means by deranking (or if they actually have the same thing in mind), that's losing ranks over time when not playing right?
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