What even is the purpose of all those non melee/blm jobs?

[FireMage]

Hot take: merciless, strict enrage timers on every single fight just *might* have an adverse effect on job design.

Hot and bad at that

[Stasya]

Hot take: merciless, strict enrage timers on every single fight just *might* have an adverse effect on job design.

Hot take: this game has bad job designers and raid testers

[Quor]

Hot take: this game has bad job designers and raid testers

I'll kind of disagree-but-not-really and say that I don't think they're bad, I think they're burnt out.

I don't know how to fix that, as you can't just bring in new blood and expect them to pick up where the old guys left off, not without a significant period of growing pains anyway.

[Mortex]

I'll kind of disagree-but-not-really and say that I don't think they're bad, I think they're burnt out.

I don't know how to fix that, as you can't just bring in new blood and expect them to pick up where the old guys left off, not without a significant period of growing pains anyway.

Easy fix is that you don’t have only 4 job designer. Like I as a raid tester would also burn out if the jobs I play are sleep inducing and piss boring. Like I do dsr as sch and 99 % of the fight are resident sleeper.

[Llynethil]

I'll kind of disagree-but-not-really and say that I don't think they're bad, I think they're burnt out.

Maybe it's you guys in here being burnt out?

I still enjoy machinist and sage has been amazing aswell, never enjoyed playing healer a lot untill endwalker hit, now I pretty much main it, maybe it's you guys that are just jaded from playing so long or taking it way to serious?

Everywhere else people love the jobs and such .... except this forum, makes you think.

[Kansene]

Everywhere else people love the jobs and such

Citation needed.

I assume this is anecdotal, that the people you personally speak to in-game generally like the jobs? Afaik the concerns about job homogenization, the 2min meta, and especially the state of healer gameplay is not limited to the forums alone. And from what I hear about the reddit, criticism is silenced and deleted over there by the mods, thus enforcing a praise-only state.

And this is not touching upon the people who say nothing, and just leave. But those people don't give any feedback so their reasons for leaving could be anything from burnout to job design to just quitting between msq content.

I have a hard time taking blanket statements like this at face value when I've regularly seen massive essays about this stuff in FC discords, seen people complain openly in /p and /a chat, and know people who quit over the jobs feeling bad to play.

With this I'm not saying everything is doom and gloom and that nobody is happy, but the displeasure is definitely not contained to the forum.

[Dogempire]

Maybe it's you guys in here being burnt out?

I still enjoy machinist and sage has been amazing aswell, never enjoyed playing healer a lot untill endwalker hit, now I pretty much main it, maybe it's you guys that are just jaded from playing so long or taking it way to serious?

Everywhere else people love the jobs and such .... except this forum, makes you think.

I mean, the jobs aren't bad from a casual perspective where you just hit all the buttons without a second thought, but jobs in this game are like sloppily photoshopped images, sure they look good at a glance, but as soon as you take a close look you start to see all the flaws and sloppy changes.

Pretty much every job's been designed to be played mindlessly by the masses, that's all there is to it.

[Valence]

The jobs aren't in a bad position like WoW specializations or other models that have much more grave fundamental issues, else we wouldn't be talking about things like this thread was made originally for. Jobs are overall great, have flavor, and indeed, most players seem to enjoy themselves from what i've seen and read on very diverse platforms (novices, casuals, even a lot of softcore raiders). Everything can clear (99% of the time I guess since DSR and P8S recently), everything is valid and works, and I still rarely see jobs barred from PF on my DC.

[Mithron]

Everything can clear (99% of the time I guess since DSR and P8S recently), everything is valid and works, and I still rarely see jobs barred from PF on my DC.

Right, FF14 is still miles ahead of all other MMOs in class balance, but P8s week 1 was the worst FF14's balance has been since Gordias/Midas. That's very alarming, especially given how divisive the two minute burst meta is.

[Stasya]

Right, FF14 is still miles ahead of all other MMOs in class balance, but P8s week 1 was the worst FF14's balance has been since Gordias/Midas. That's very alarming, especially given how divisive the two minute burst meta is.

Its not even about burst meta.

It is scary that if what yoshi p said is true then every raid tier they released since maybe gordias/midas was like this: they barely kill last bosses only using meta comp and probably with tome gear aswell (so no pentameld only)
THEN they proceed to BUFF boss HP and release a fight they didn't cleared themself.

So basically every tier every expansion is a dice roll will it be a shitshow week 1 or not.

Thankfully their lazyness bite their ass with this tier, maybe they will think twice when they will work on next savage.