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  1. #151
    Player Deveryn's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by UkcsAlias View Post
    1 advantage though is that because they are part of the MSQ, the chance for them to get reworked eventualy is a bit higher. Which way they will go however (if even)... thats going to remain a question for now.
    It's definitely a possibility, but for now we'll just have to wait. Dungeons are the priority for now. Once they finish Stormblood, we might hear something about CT.
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  2. #152
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    What about making all the old raids as easy and brain dead as the CT ones, and removing the current raid from the roulette. If I want to run current tier I'll join the current tier I don't click on a roulette. And yes, the only thing that I want from the roulette is the very quick tomes, nothing else, so CT every day of the week until all the other old raids can be done half asleep.

    Paraphrasing someone important, if you want challenging content go do ultimate. Off you go
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  3. #153
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    Aergrael Iyrnrael
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    Quote Originally Posted by solimiano View Post
    What about making all the old raids as easy and brain dead as the CT ones
    Absolute no go. We dont need more braindead content, we need less.
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  4. #154
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    The only way you are going to get people to do raids other than CT is making it so that doing the other raids is worthwhile. The only reason I'm doing Rabanastre, the worst garbage raid to exist in the entire game, is because I need glam from it. Otherwise I'd never touch it. The glam is the only incentive I have, and most people don't even have that I recon.
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  5. #155
    Player Midareyukki's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by solimiano View Post
    What about making all the old raids as easy and brain dead as the CT ones, and removing the current raid from the roulette. If I want to run current tier I'll join the current tier I don't click on a roulette. And yes, the only thing that I want from the roulette is the very quick tomes, nothing else, so CT every day of the week until all the other old raids can be done half asleep.

    Paraphrasing someone important, if you want challenging content go do ultimate. Off you go
    I didn't stick around with FF14 because it was a kiddy pool where I was spoonfed every single thing. I stuck with it because there were challenges and stuff that respected me for improving. I didn't stick around because the content was braindead and I could just blitz through things while yawning my brains off. I stuck around because there was more to do and interesting designs to see and experience.

    And I say this as someone who's a gigantic casual player. I don't do Savages that often, I don't care for world clears... But holy shit dude, the moment I land in Sastasha, my brain just disappears and I go on autopilot. I'm not having fun.

    If YOU want something simple and sweet, stop levelling up. Stick to your own lane, don't go past Praetorium. It's an MMO, an RPG, you're not meant to be snoozing through things. You want quick tomes and stuff like that, well tough, get used to having to put in SOME effort.

    At no point is anyone saying that we want things to be Dark Souls level of difficulty, get your head out of your arse. Just not an absolute breezefest with no enjoyment that causes people like you to use potential exploits to force things.

    Oh, and that absolutely brain-dead quip of going to do ultimate? Guess what, honey. It's considered the most insulting and controversial thing he said. So congratulations: you are insensitive.
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  6. #156
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    A data point from Reddit. (Taken over 6 months) Yes this is a single data point comprised of one person's experience, it's not indicative of millions of players (only SE has that data), but it is interesting as it basically flies in the face of people who say they "only get CT raids".

    Queue the obligatory "This isn't MY experience so this data is invalid".

    Sidenote: Notice the "new player" bonus in 80% of the content played. A single new player drags people into whatever content THEY queue for.













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    Last edited by Deceptus; 11-28-2022 at 03:43 AM.

  7. #157
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helbya View Post
    There is a point of contention in the community regarding ilvl cheese in roulettes, particularly Alliance. Some people openly partake, some go in discreetly, and many people oppose ilvl cheesing.

    ilvl cheesing a roulette involves removing gear for a roulette to limit which duties may appear in the roulette, This ensures a player is able to receive the roulette bonus while keeping them out of 'difficult' or lengthy duties. By lowering item level below 90 a player can enter the Alliance Roulette with a level 90 character to ensure they receive 120 AstroTomes and 50 Causality Tomes while they are technically only eligible for Labyrinth of The Ancients and Syrcus Tower, even though they may have every alliance raid unlocked and multiple parties trying to fill for those duties. Or take advantage of the beefy exp bonus while levelling without really playing their class. I'll admit, I did this too in the past while levelling classes I did not have the courage to actually play the class I was levelling but seeing it from the other side; it was detrimental to my play. I missed out on relevant exp and didn't push myself to actually learn the class I was playing.

    Most of the time we can tell this is happening when players load into a duty and we see their health jump up from ~50% once they put their gear back on.
    To this I would suggest a change to the Roulette system, to better influence players to make full use of the system. The roulettes are there to help players fill parties and attempt the various duties in FFXIV, this is achieved by players entering roulettes with the most duties available to them, so entering the roulette with restrictions on duties is counterproductive. I say we tune the roulette bonus to match the number of duties available. Tuning the bonus tomes/exp to the item level at time of queuing for a roulette would entice players to enter with the highest available item level and thus keep the largest number of duties available. It does not need to be a variable gradient, as there are clear ilvl thresholds for each set of raids, but restricting the number of Astronomy tomes to 40 for ilvl 90, 60 for ilvl 235, 80 for ilvl 365, and 100 for ilvl 495 encourages people to make themselves available to the most alliance raids. An ilvl above the 565 needed for Aglaia awarding the full 120 Astronomy tomes. The same can be done for Causality tomes and Bonus Exp.

    This behavior of ilvl cheesing is problematic when it become widespread. If there are ten players registered in queue with ilvl 80~90 then the roulette is going to try to create and fill a party for a CT raid, while twenty other players queued up for various other raids will sit lower on the priority list because each of their parties has one to two players. Just last night a player had to ask the novice network for help as they were waiting 70 minutes to enter Rabanastre.
    Alliance Roulette is a mistake.
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  8. #158
    Player Midareyukki's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    A data point from Reddit.
    TLDR: The exploit likely doesn't exist, and Syrcus Tower is the one that pops the most, though Wiping City comes quite close.

    The only funny thing there is that it's Syrcus Tower of all raids to be consistently popping up. I half expected it to be LotA. Even with an exploit, it'd be 50-50.
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  9. #159
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    Well, thank god he said it and I'm just quoting.
    You're forgetting one thing, it's not an mmo, it's Final Fantasy, and he keeps proving that with every patch. It won't be long until you can run everything besides the latest content solo, we already have one current 8 man trial that can be done that way. It is and it will always be Final Fantasy first and foremost, what comes after that doesn't really matter, it will cater even more to the people that want to do easy and solo things. Hopefully in the near future we will be able to solo alliance raids.

    In terms of being casual, I don't do savage unless its been 4 to 6 years and I can solo stomp that shit, same with extremes, better to spend 45 minutes soloing a stormblood extreme by pure raw numbers ignoring every single mechanic than having to deal with them.

    I don't need to put effort and I'm still getting the tomes needed for the 19 relics that's why it's called a grind, you grind easy content to get the best in slot weapon at the end of the expansion.

    If you want more difficult content it is there available to you, but do you wonder why you can't use the duty finder to do current extremes...

    Lastly why should I have to spend the exact same amount of time doing 4 year old content when I'm 20 levels above that, it should be dead easy to do 20 minutes max.

    If you want old content to be difficult go to the party finder, use the minimum ilv function and do the content as it was 2/4/6/8 years ago.

    I for one will keep over leveling and stomping and the content I can.
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  10. #160
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunalepsy View Post
    Alliance Roulette is a mistake.
    "Roulette is a mistake"

    Fix'd. Though the system is baked into every MMO player's mindset now so good luck removing it.
    I was in the camp back in WoW where I believed that the roulette/auto group function would kill a server/shard community but I seriously doubt that any AAA MMO is going to remove it or not come out the gate with it.
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