The state of OCE without cross region travel (feedback)

[Maxilor]

There's kinda nothing really to address, tbh. We've pretty much seen all of this already, primarily with new EU worlds and splitting DCs. It's just a thing that takes time to settle in. There's nothing else to do for it but ride it out.

This is pretty much the answer.

Not sure why this thread needed to include a Geography lesson but there it is.

[NanaWiloh]

This exchange is precisely why every American should consider it their duty to vote yes for tax increases to fund education.

Lol The money would never make it to the education system. Not with all the pocket lining politicians we have.

[Juun]

US East central to all four DCs, so your experience is not quite the same as others.
You get sub 100ms ping to EU, sub 100ms to NA, 170ms to JP and about 200ms to OCE.
Playing in 300+ms is actually horrible.

Heh 300ms Is not so bad in FFXIV a lot of Mechanics in game are calculated client side not server side.

[Tlamila]

I honestly feel sorry for you all playing with such low population.
But i can't help but think back of that thread where so many OCE people wanted their servers to be closed from foreigners because otherwise they'd be too crowded and all their houses would be stolen and economy ruined. While sadly it went exactly as I expected, which is too few people to do stuff nd a need of more blood, wherever they're from.

As for the cross-dc arguement (dear me, what was that), it's obvious that ping is horrible. From EU I get about 30 on EU, 150 or something on NA, 200+ in JP and 300+ in OCE. So the difference is obviously huge. Thre's a reason why OCE players always played on NA and JP and rarely ever on EU.
But I think the thign that made sense about the EU+OCE suggestion is how small both DCs are compared to the other two, where together they'd make a baby NA or something. While allowing OCE to travel to huge DCs while EU gets locked in its own misery seems sad and unfair.
Of course they're never implementing cross-dc travel so it's all a pretty pointless thought excercise.

I do wonder though, when they decided there were the numbers to sustan OCE DCs, if they were excpectign waaaay more people to migrate there, while instead most of them chose to stay in JP and NA with their friends.

[Tigerlilley]

I honestly feel sorry for you all playing with such low population.
But i can't help but think back of that thread where so many OCE people wanted their servers to be closed from foreigners because otherwise they'd be too crowded and all their houses would be stolen and economy ruined. While sadly it went exactly as I expected, which is too few people to do stuff nd a need of more blood, wherever they're from.

I saw a few of those cringe arguments. They were wrong then and they are wrong now. Honestly, the personal housing situation completely determines many players motivation in this game, overwhelmingly so. The desperation to own one has literally dictated how players behave.

I do wonder though, when they decided there were the numbers to sustan OCE DCs, if they were excpectign waaaay more people to migrate there, while instead most of them chose to stay in JP and NA with their friends.

We spoke about this a lot, we were concerned when the servers were announced as in Australia if they had taken into account the SEA players. SEA is a vastly great population than Aus/NZ and they literally have no reason to move. If the servers were in Singapore, perhaps it would have been a different story. I think after almost a decade on NA and JP, asking players to give up their hard earned houses for a lottery chance at another as well as no raid scene with no promise of cross region.... All of this factored into decisions made by the OCE community. And you're right, a lot of people have decided to stay where they were.

[dottii]

I think the only way they could have actually made a proper migration, would be by some kind of dual-citizen system. Where OCE players retain all their belongings, friends, housing, etc on the JP or NA datacenter, but play on the OCE datacenter. Basically the only restriction would be access to the JP/NA markets or other ways you can think of to game the system (you'll keep your house, but you can't buy a new one on the NA/JP). Then after 6months or so (once player numbers are sufficient to self sustain), dual-citizenship will be revoked. If they remove all barriers to transfer, then population would quickly rise to sustainable levels, and they could split off the dual-citizen system sooner.

That would have been a logistical nightmare for the programmers though

[sagacious]

I am enjoying it, a lot. Lots of healing to do, lots of gil to make. My opinion on cross-DC travel has also changed completely to - not yet.

Not having cross data centre lets the servers form a community, we are doing well, and we need this to keep going. Yes, I can see it would be harder for people trying to do end game, sure, but with so many sprouts around, there is enough to do while they (and I) all catch up.

Census shows 2000 people at Endwalker out of 30,000 odd people on Sophia at least... a bunch were tourists getting their 15 days free, but there are still a lot who will get to the end eventually. Just look at all the sprout icons everywhere.

90 Days will also be up soon, and some people finding endgame harder, will be able to transfer back until the frontier servers settle (should take a year or two).

In the mean time, run as many leveling dungeons as you can on tanks and healers, and help all those thousands of people level.

I like your analysis I will stay

[Duskane]

I honestly feel sorry for you all playing with such low population.
But i can't help but think back of that thread where so many OCE people wanted their servers to be closed from foreigners because otherwise they'd be too crowded and all their houses would be stolen and economy ruined. While sadly it went exactly as I expected, which is too few people to do stuff nd a need of more blood, wherever they're from.

As for the cross-dc arguement (dear me, what was that), it's obvious that ping is horrible. From EU I get about 30 on EU, 150 or something on NA, 200+ in JP and 300+ in OCE. So the difference is obviously huge. Thre's a reason why OCE players always played on NA and JP and rarely ever on EU.
But I think the thign that made sense about the EU+OCE suggestion is how small both DCs are compared to the other two, where together they'd make a baby NA or something. While allowing OCE to travel to huge DCs while EU gets locked in its own misery seems sad and unfair.
Of course they're never implementing cross-dc travel so it's all a pretty pointless thought excercise.

I do wonder though, when they decided there were the numbers to sustan OCE DCs, if they were excpectign waaaay more people to migrate there, while instead most of them chose to stay in JP and NA with their friends.

its really not that bad.

[VelKallor]

AHEM:

Sydney to Frankfurt - 16,473 km
Sydney to Los Angeles - 12,066 km
Sydney to Tokyo : 7825 KM

[caffe_macchiato]

Square Enix has always been a Japanese company for Japanese people first and foremost. It’s why World of Warcraft has had a dedicated Oceania datacenter for years, but SE only made one this year because of xenophobic complaints from Japanese players. Sadly for SE (and good for everyone else), they’re going to have to smell the roses soon, as 2/3rds of the playerbase is non-Japanese. For many well-to-do people in the West, this is their first time encountering xenophobia. It’s odd how FFXIV has even been able to succeed given the attitudes emanating from this company.

If SE had made an English-speaking server on JP, this could’ve been resolved easily. But that would require “gaijin” to be queued with Japanese people. And obviously SE will not allow that.

Why can’t we have the below implementation where servers are sorted by language or region?