What's the right thing to do in these dungeon situations?

[b3nzyme]

Ok so this is nothing out of the ordinary. Doing Wondrous Tails (cause i feel like it, bruh) lol and doing 90 expert roulette for a sticker. I go as war and get Al. Legacy and I see a new player, watch him watch the cutscene, so I think "aww, nice, a new player. I won't go too fast, then". Somehow I didn't see the message "a new player is here etc etc" so I still didnt think anything of it. This little lala guy runs ahead of everybody on rdm as fast as he can, cuts the corner and begins to pull LOL. Short story, i took it as a challenge and never let him get aggro for more than 0.03^ -10000 seconds, and even watch for when he intentionally tried to single target a mob with instants to get aggro. PROVOKE TIME! WHOOO!

so yea, after a bit, i think "ok so maybe this healer might not like this pace, but they certainly aren't calling out the rdm" so I just assume everyone's ok and continue. The healer never really had to heal me anyway unless they just felt scared or obligated to, but I surely wasn't scared . I'm a war! lol

I thought he was having fun, but he just keeps going. It's starting to become irritating now, because now I feel like I'm being pulled around by some rando online when I though he just wanted to get that out of his system, so I make sure I remind him "hey, if you wanted speed, you should have brought a peloton along with your group" (he was grouped with a second rdm). All he says is "?" and then continues to remember after every fight that he absolutely has to make every millionth of a second count, because (I'm guessing) his group tonight won't accept him in a raid if he doesn't make sure to get those weekly tokens (lol).

Soooo... to my question:

if I encounter this again, and somebody else in the party is actually new or doesn't like that pace, what is the best way to handle this? Typically, people will speak up, and it makes it easier to understand what somebody is able to keep up with or not, so I -always- make sure to accomodate, because I love people and want to be there for them. However, if I had a guy like the one above in my group again doing what he did, and the new person was too self-conscious to speak up, I could just let the lala die and laugh at him, but the healer would proabbly feel obligated to heal them, and run ahead ot try to keep that dude alive, then possibly get mad at me for standing behind and calling it toxic. So how could this be handled? Shouldn't there be some kind of dungeon etiquette? In real life, it is quite troublesome to interact with people at times, but it is absolutely necessary for a healthy and functioning society, hence, the old statement "I hate to be a bother, but..."

[b3nzyme]

I just think it would be nice if someone just sort of spoke up and stated their intentions instead of being quiet and running over everybody else in a party situation. As I said above, I began to get annoyed at the level of determination the rdm was exhibiting in his die-hard quest to impress somebody somewhere. I just wish there was a good way to handle it, like "REPORT THIS GUY FOR BEING ARSEHANDLE" or "hey is everyone ok with this speed? we can let the lala rdm die if we dont like it" idk... courtesy online in a group should be a must. This is why I choose to tank dungeons. At least I consider people and -try- to set the group's pace.

edit: (oh, and what was really weird, for every tank buster, he would specifically move from his position, stand under me, shimmy from side to side to let me know he is standing under me, and then go back to his original position after the tank buster is over. I definitely was confused by this. insert confused gif face here)

[Shibi]

(oh, and what was really weird, for every tank buster, he would specifically move from his position, stand under me, shimmy from side to side to let me know he is standing under me, and then go back to his original position after the tank buster is over. I definitely was confused by this. insert confused gif face here)

Well RDM with a WAR tank, is an over abundance of heals.

Sounds like he was a tank alting. He knew the tank buster was pretty weak, so decided to take it as a squishy because he was bored himself.

In those situations, where you do have someone who is tough as nails, do what's fun for you. Don't pay too much attention to him, just aoe pick up anything he drags to you. That's likely the signal he'll use if he bites off more than he can chew.

[Espon]

You run into many different kinds of people when doing roulettes. I typically play tank and go at a fast pace. If someone wants to sprint ahead of me then whatever, just bring anything to me that I don't quickly grab aggro on so I don't have to chase it down afterwards.

I do not believe in the "You pull it you tank it" philosophy since it is still my job to tank and make sure the run goes as smoothly as I can make it, even if there's a jerk in the group making things more difficult. It is what it is, and sometimes you just need to grit your teeth and bear it as it'll all be over in about 15 minutes.

[DixieBellOCE]

You run into many different kinds of people when doing roulettes. I typically play tank and go at a fast pace. If someone wants to sprint ahead of me then whatever, just bring anything to me that I don't quickly grab aggro on so I don't have to chase it down afterwards.

I do not believe in the "You pull it you tank it" philosophy since it is still my job to tank and make sure the run goes as smoothly as I can make it, even if there's a jerk in the group making things more difficult. It is what it is, and sometimes you just need to grit your teeth and bear it as it'll all be over in about 15 minutes.

Ahh a tank that understands.

As a fellow tank, i approve of DPS that want to speed up runs by puling trash back into my AOE.

I wont let them die, and i won't make them tank stuff.

[OdinelStarrei]

Leave.

There is no point in interacting with other people in dungeons.

If the dungeon/instance is going in a way that is noticeably undesirable to personal preferences for any player regardless of circumstances, it's better to just disengage from the situation entirely then even give the possibility of a conflict room to arise, since the stakes/wait times are comparatively low versus something like a Party Finder.

Don't say anything, just Duty > Leave > Yes. Any lingering guilt you have over abandoning someone is not justified, as you have given them the ability to also leave a potentially hostile situation without the 30 minute penalty, given newer players the opportunity to use the superior Duty Trust system for learning the content if it's available, and any conflicts you may have over your decision will fade within hours under normal conditions, while a fruitless, annoying argument with other players where minds are never changed, can lead to needless, and unnecessary resentment/reports.

Conversing is meaningless. Pull, kill trash, kill boss, repeat, end dungeon. There is nothing else.

[Azuri]

I think it will be a courtesy from you to avoid tanking roulettes in the future if this is your outlook on the role.

[AmorfaVex]

Well, looks like I found a thread to make my first post in...

To answer your question, I dunno friend. I guess Im kind of easy going with this kind of stuff. Been gaming for a LONG time, in many MMOs. I restarted FF14 a few months ago and have had a blast with it.

I've read the topics in this forum and seen this sort of thing arise a few times, but for the life of me, I cant understand why it is so difficult for people to let the tank set the pace.

The dungeons are short, and relatively easy. Some people seem to think its a race, but I really dont understand why. (I do understand syncing cooldowns and whatnot, but really, who the hell cares about dps with trash mobs, unless of course you group is struggling to kill them.)

I think people just need to chill out, relax, let the tanks set the pace, and enjoy the run. You dont get a medal for clearing it 30 seconds faster.

I guess my advice would be just to finish the run and move on to the next group that doesnt have a tryhard dungeon commander.

[SassyAssassin]

You can do what I do, cry.

[Renalt]

You can do what I do, cry.

I have Esuna for that,

Also to answer OP...I believe as a joint effort...the tank/healer decides the pace. However if even ONE of them decides to go slow...even if you want to go fast...just go slow. If both tank and healer can handle wall to wall...then DPS should just enjoy the ride and AoE their little hearts out. If either the tank or healer isn't comfortable or just not prepared for the W2W...should probably find a middle ground of "As soon as one or two mobs fall I can probably proceed to the next set of mobs with no one really minding".

People are have vast preferences and it's generally best to TRY to accommodate. However if the vibe is all wonky...no shame in just taking the penalty and bailing out.