Yoshi-P "definitive" answer on third party tools from today's 14 hour stream

[XaiQ]

The person will have to explain what they heavily "ment" by what they wrote in the chat to a GM, and they were explicit enough in this context and wording, that they were the originator of this particular event. And if it is because that person has access to GM tools / options, they abused it in this specific case.

Judging by the actual chatlog posted earlier, the more likely scenario was this:

Person A: Hey do this and that
[Readycheck Started]
[You hit Yes]
[You Disconnect]
Person A, B, C, D: bla bla bla
[You Reconnect]
Person A: Did you read what I wrote? (referring to "Person A: Hey do this and that ")


The 99% more likely scenario was that they wrote to you before you disconnected, and upon you reconnecting back, were asking if you read what they wrote before you disconnected. That's what it looks like, and absolutely nothing indicates about them asking you to read some error message which never existed, because it's technically not possible to do so unless they were able to RCE (Remote Code Execution) and that is extremely, EXTREMELY unlikely. If the person was able to execute code remotely, they would not be using it for petty things like kicking people out, they would use it for felonies.

But again, absolutely nothing in any links or chats you provided discern at all that you were targeted, or that something was specifically done to you. All it is that someone is asking you if you read what they wrote in party chat before you disconnected. That's it.

If you want us to believe this error message you received had for some absurd reason some message directed towards you about the party, you're going to have to prove this, because like I said before, if RCE is possible this isn't a matter of annoying people PF, it's an absolutely disaster of a security issue and that would cause all FFXIV servers to go offline immediately until it was resolved. It's an EXTREMELY serious problem if it was possible.

[JRat]

So why not let us segregate each other? We'd be happy to do so, one would think. Casuals playing with casuals and having fun. Elitists playing with elitists and also being happy. If you don't want to play with one or the other group, you don't have to. Why having a system that allows players to facilitate this segregation easily a bad thing? Two very different groups sharing the same world but rarely mixing and largely ignoring each other. Wouldn't that be wonderful?

WoW did that with their new "Warmode" PvP system. PvPers are on a different instance of the world than the PvErs. Separated but ʻequalʻ.
Yeah, the complaints don't stop. Someone is always grumbling/offended to death about something.

[SaberMaxwell]

That my friend is none of your business but the GM's objectivity; and what was written left no doubt about what transpired prior to it.

I read the posted chat logs here same as everyone else. There is no doubt that you were indeed not targeted here, but I'll cast plenty of doubt your way. What do you have to gain making spurious accusations like these on a thread, completely derailing it? You've broken ToS pretty bad with name-and-shaming, of course, but you keep pressing it hoping for a witch hunt from both the community and moderation team.

Only question is why.

Even in these chat logs he states after the fact i said he injected a message, that it was bad, and stating that he knew i had a message, he did answer that "yeh i did this to test your sincerity" then huge damage control ensued from Takan. Clearly you are the ones absolutely having reading comprehension issues, big problems, in the context of the chat logs that chronologically follow themselves in clarity. I have no vendetta but to state that some have access to "things" that allows what i'm still stating happened when my client was forcefully shut down. Period.

What kind of sincerity test is that, hm? It's not, and you're stretching to connect dots that aren't there to connect. You absolutely should kick yourself not grabbing the screenshot of the "custom disconnect text" because that would be your smoking gun; without it, you have nothing, and all you're doing is screaming "Trust me, just because." Period.

Also, go factory reformat your PC if people are doing RCE on your computer. You're in more trouble than SE is concerned with if people are able to do that.

[Absimiliard]

If the person was able to execute code remotely, they would not be using it for petty things like kicking people out, they would use it for felonies.

This actually would constitute a felony under Japanese law. It would also be absurdly easy for SE to detect. What the aggrieved person is describing is something that would require either A.) the use of SE's own servers, in which case it is highly detectable; or B.) the ability RCE on the individual's PC, which would mean they've been compromised and should therefore have much larger concerns than being disconnected from a game.

The alleged message received in place of an error code inherently precludes the possibility of ye olde booter having been used, as this would only disrupt the target's connection.

[FireMage]

Imagine being so paranoid AND self important that you dream up a PF sabotaging cabal that is able to disconnect you

[TW-Luna]

Not the first thread this "Katt" has entered to derail the discussion, but definitely the one they have been most dedicated to; and unfortunately most successful at.

I just wanted to add my two cents about this topic. That despite it having been brought up often enough, that YoshiP only ever truly comments on the likes of DPS trackers, parsers, and raid tools/mods/plugins.. oh and nsfw things. In all the conversations never once has the conversation touched on the things in between. Such as the QoL fixes that roleplayers especially love so much. Tools to manage the chat box in very busy areas, or QoL enhancements such as the big viera and hrothgar hat, helmet, and hair fixes. It's always just raid stuff or nsfw stuff that one time.

[Vahlnir]

Imagine being so paranoid AND self important that you dream up a PF sabotaging cabal that is able to disconnect you

Katt be like

[DixieBellOCE]

Just shut up about addons in general.

Play the game, use what you want, so long as your not harassing anyone your fine to do whatever the hell you want.

That's what hes saying.

The more people push the matter, the closer they get to cracking down on 70%+ of the playerbase.

[Ralphe2449]

Just shut up about addons in general.

Play the game, use what you want, so long as your not harassing anyone your fine to do whatever the hell you want.

That's what hes saying.

The more people push the matter, the closer they get to cracking down on 70%+ of the playerbase.

That is sadly the attitude of certain people who believe they are above others hence why they unironically expect devs to cater to them, since they mainly focus on the high end form of addons they believe their way of playing should be prioritized above all and will never stop moaning.

I can tell you that from experience, for many years in wow raidloggers ALWAYS complained about something, even when the game was mostly catering to them they still complained and will always complain because they believe the game should revolve around them since they believe themselves l33t for beating high end scripted content that literally a counter script could beat...

That is why I feel this issue wont ever stop, they still will demand the integration or approval of dps meters/logging because being able to use them is not enough, they want to use them against other people ingame as if discussing it in private discords isnt enough, because it was never about just seeing data because you can do that right now without speaking.

In short, these people will NEVER be satisfied.

Best response is to just not engage and keep ignoring them, I hope Yoshi P has the strength to do that.

[Ivtrix]

Not the first thread this "Katt" has entered to derail the discussion, but definitely the one they have been most dedicated to; and unfortunately most successful at.

I just wanted to add my two cents about this topic. That despite it having been brought up often enough, that YoshiP only ever truly comments on the likes of DPS trackers, parsers, and raid tools/mods/plugins.. oh and nsfw things. In all the conversations never once has the conversation touched on the things in between. Such as the QoL fixes that roleplayers especially love so much. Tools to manage the chat box in very busy areas, or QoL enhancements such as the big viera and hrothgar hat, helmet, and hair fixes. It's always just raid stuff or nsfw stuff that one time.

I mean, there isn’t really much to discuss. Yoshi p essentially solidified that they don’t plan to take additional action on top of what they are already doing to combat 3rd party programming. So as long as you arent dumb about it, you are essentially free to do what you want.