Exp in Frontlines

[Ransu]

OP apparently didn't play back before exp was added to frontlines...Ya know, back in the day when the frontlines queue was an hour long and no one played it lol (sometimes the queue wouldn't pop at all for days, basically what rival wings deals with right now).

The exp reward is fine. 2 or 3 people afking in a corner is not a big deal in a chaotic game mode with 72 players. Them being "active" isn't going to change the outcome of the match. If you wanna win that badly for your dumb achievements then make a premade group.

Who cares if its more time in queue, frontline roulette should not exist if you ever care about bg being serious.

I would rather have more people queue in that want to win you know, not troll people with bla bla bla im just here for xp stop being toxic just farm more damage and dont do objectives like me

Also xp in pvp is miniscule. Just remove it completly from every mode. You want to pvp as specific class? You only need lvl 30 not giga slow 90 grind.

Your first mistake was acting like frontlines should be taken seriously. Its the casual pvp mode and its always been intended to be as such. You can't take a zerg mode with 72 players seriously. And how is the exp miniscule? The roulette is like half a level lol.

[tsuchii]

It's gonna be dead like Hidden Gorge if you remove exp reward
Do you think people enjoy frontline? Frontline is literal GARBAGE
It is literally THE WORST mode in this game
It's like 90% RNG and 10% skill

People like me are just collecting mounts (30 more wins for me to get the 200-win mount and I'm never setting foot in it again)

[Ransu]

It's gonna be dead like Hidden Gorge if you remove exp reward
Do you think people enjoy frontline? Frontline is literal GARBAGE
It is literally THE WORST mode in this game
It's like 90% RNG and 10% skill

People like me are just collecting mounts (30 more wins for me to get the 200-win mount and I'm never setting foot in it again)

We used to get scaled down 8v8v8 frontline matches because there was never enough people for 72 players. At that point the mode was very tolerable and people actually *gasp* pvp'd, but ya the 72 player crap is just a mess and has never been enjoyable because its not really pvp.

[tsuchii]

We used to get scaled down 8v8v8 frontline matches because there was never enough people for 72 players. At that point the mode was very tolerable and people actually *gasp* pvp'd, but ya the 72 player crap is just a mess and has never been enjoyable because its not really pvp.

That seems more fair TBH. I wonder how they came up with this 24x24x24 clusterfork. Frontline is more like PVA, Player Versus Area. There's no worse example than freaking stupid Seal Rock. It's not a match where you still feel nice even if you lost. Because losing is never fair because of the rng nature of the "objectives".

[Towa-Musa]

That seems more fair TBH. I wonder how they came up with this 24x24x24 clusterfork. Frontline is more like PVA, Player Versus Area. There's no worse example than freaking stupid Seal Rock. It's not a match where you still feel nice even if you lost. Because losing is never fair because of the rng nature of the "objectives".

to be fair, im convinced that they have nobody that knows how to MAKE a pvp mode since they keep mucking it up.

[tsuchii]

to be fair, im convinced that they have nobody that knows how to MAKE a pvp mode since they keep mucking it up.

You can't have a perfect game. 14 has to mess up somewhere.

[Towa-Musa]

You can't have a perfect game. 14 has to mess up somewhere.

This much is true, They **** The bed on this one lol

[Ransu]

That seems more fair TBH. I wonder how they came up with this 24x24x24 clusterfork. Frontline is more like PVA, Player Versus Area. There's no worse example than freaking stupid Seal Rock. It's not a match where you still feel nice even if you lost. Because losing is never fair because of the rng nature of the "objectives".

Frontlines came about early in ARR's life cycle if I recall correctly. It was either right before or right after heavensward. I can't remember completely, but given that when they were working on ARR Yoshi-P required his team to play and get reference from other theme park MMO's (most notably WoW at the time) its safe to say they looked at battlegroungs and decided to make frontlines largescale to coincide with the 3 factions lore of training at the castrum or whatever. Later down the road they introduced the feast which was supposed to be their arena pvp for people that didn't like large scale pvp. Shame the queue was constantly dead.

Personally I would love to have 8v8v8 back. Those frontline matches were a ton of fun and didn't feel chaotic at all.

[LowIQ]

That seems more fair TBH. I wonder how they came up with this 24x24x24 clusterfork. Frontline is more like PVA, Player Versus Area. There's no worse example than freaking stupid Seal Rock. It's not a match where you still feel nice even if you lost. Because losing is never fair because of the rng nature of the "objectives".

You have two other modes if you don't like mass pvp. You now even have the critically acclaimed Crystalline Conflict for all your REAL pvp needs.
Though you might not like it either because technically it has the same issue of "losing is never fair because of the rng nature of the "o̶b̶j̶e̶c̶t̶i̶v̶e̶s̶ teams""

[Ransu]

You have two other modes if you don't like mass pvp. You now even have the critically acclaimed Crystalline Conflict for all your REAL pvp needs.
Though you might not like it either because technically it has the same issue of "losing is never fair because of the rng nature of the "o̶b̶j̶e̶c̶t̶i̶v̶e̶s̶ teams""

Except no one plays rival wings because its not in the roulette even though its objectively better than frontlines in every way.