Yoshi-P "definitive" answer on third party tools from today's 14 hour stream

[SaberMaxwell]

My attitude is the correct one to have. Catering to casuals has never been good for any game

Casuals need catered to as much as anyone else in this and any other game. They're the most likely to be here one month and then gone, but that month they're around gives the money the game needs to run. The non-hardcore content runners also provide a lot of the community with which hardcore communities are eventually structured around, and much like how Gachas need minnows to keep the whales around, MMOs need casuals for the hardcore to show off to otherwise you see a lot of people bleed out and the game die a slow death; see Mortal Online.

Almost wiping on a 4 man dungeons boss, yikes. Should've wiped and kicked the healer and any DPS that underperformed

Depends on the goal of the group. Speedrunning the dungeon? Should have full abandoned the dungeon and re-run it.
Killing the dungeon in a reasonable amount of time? Kicking people would cost more time waiting for refills.
Having fun and just enjoying a dungeon run? Doesn't accomplish anything. Based on the anecdote, the happiness of the group was positively impacted more than the added clear time negatively impacted them. Wiping and kicking would have caused more problems than it solved.

[VelKallor]

Almost wiping on a 4 man dungeons boss, yikes. Should've wiped and kicked the healer and any DPS that underperformed

Thank you for proving my point.

Saber: More like



I would not trade that experience for anything.

Firemage: theres an old adage maybe you need to remember for the future

"There is joy, laughter , hope in simple human error and fallibility.....none in the icy perfection of a machine."

[SaberMaxwell]

I would not trade that experience for anything

I still remember back in ARR, my friend who was a PLD wound up soloing the final boss of Stone Vigil HM because the dragons merc'd us pretty hard lol. They're some of the most fun memories to have, and that ranks up there with some of the most fun relief I've had defeating Ultimates. I was a bit clinical in my response to Firemage but yeah, I wouldn't either!

[Ivtrix]

Reading fire mage discussions make my mind melt

Where is skiros I much prefer skiros posts

[Atelier-Bagur]

Reading fire mage discussions make my mind melt

Where is skiros I much prefer skiros posts

He was sundered into aveyond. Just like how Skiros was the sundered version of Rokian back during 2.0 days

[VelKallor]

Catering to casuals has never been good for any game

Yet here we are in a highly successful MMO that does just that.

Odd..innit?

[VelKallor]

Reading fire mage discussions make my mind melt

Where is skiros I much prefer skiros posts

DONT SAY HIS NAME YOU WILL SUMMON HIM

[AwesomeJr44]

Thread in a nutshell:

Toxic casuals who are mad because bad are mad at elite player who uses third party tools to ensure that the people he plays with aren't going to waste his time.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Thread in a nutshell:

Toxic casuals who are mad because bad are mad at elite player who uses third party tools to ensure that the people he plays with aren't going to waste his time.

Hes not even that good lol. Hes not an "elite player"

[AmpelioB]

Thread in a nutshell:

Toxic casuals who are mad because bad are mad at elite player who uses third party tools to ensure that the people he plays with aren't going to waste his time.

you would be surprised how far some people will go to just mask the third part tools numbers, I have seen people even paying other to fake those numbers