Yoshi-P "definitive" answer on third party tools from today's 14 hour stream

[Atelier-Bagur]

Do we not have PFs that will remove you if your parses aren't sufficiently high?

Although I wouldn't be surprised that you've never heard of those...

You do realize you're not supposed to be doing that right? That reportable abuse

[Tiramu]

That's rich. "My way is the one true way to play the game".

Sigh. You only reinforce my point that any kind of attempt to find a compromise between us is futile.

They are right though, SE dont want that approach to the game. Yoshis aversion to putting a parser in the game is because thats not his vision for the game. You want a hardcore MMO where you can flex and be in an exclusive club, Yoshi wants an MMO where everyone can play and enjoy the content.

[Azuri]

Oh pack it in with the despising each other rubbish. If you despise people for wanting different things from a videogame then thats your problem and yours alone.

Im also not saying nothing would change if logs became open. Im saying it would, it would lead to high end content being gatekeeped by the highest percentile of players and all of the crazy that comes with that. I like that XIV has a good community without people hurling abuse at each other like thats a mini game in its own right, and the unhinged dont have the rule of the roost. Like I said, many of us have teenage kids so dont want to go from meltdowns at home to meltdowns in our freetime.

Also, again, the open logging culture has wrecked WoWs endgame so its not all its cracked up to be.

How would a party that requires certain performance level "gatekeep" you from making your own chill party? And how would it negatively affect you if people from that other party don't join yours? Straight answers, please.

[Azuri]

You do realize you're not supposed to be doing that right? That reportable abuse

You realize you are not entitled to join a group of people who for any possible reason do not want to play with you?

[Saraide]

Oh pack it in with the despising each other rubbish. If you despise people for wanting different things from a videogame then thats your problem and yours alone.

Im also not saying nothing would change if logs became open. Im saying it would, it would lead to high end content being gatekeeped by the highest percentile of players and all of the crazy that comes with that. I like that XIV has a good community without people hurling abuse at each other like thats a mini game in its own right, and the unhinged dont have the rule of the roost. Like I said, many of us have teenage kids so dont want to go from meltdowns at home to meltdowns in our freetime.

Also, again, the open logging culture has wrecked WoWs endgame so its not all its cracked up to be.

It's 100% healthy to form groups around similar skill levels and similar expectation levels. Everything else will lead to tension in the goup and sooner or later for the group to break up. The longer you force people together that dont belong together, the more frustration you are creating on both sides.

[Tiramu]

How would a party that requires certain performance level "gatekeep" you from making your own chill party? And how would it negatively affect you if people from that other party don't join yours? Straight answers, please.

You have seen other MMO's? WoW perhaps?

Your answer is there. We already know because thats precisely what happens in other MMO's.

[Azuri]

You have seen other MMO's? WoW perhaps?

Your answer is there. We already know because thats precisely what happens in other MMO's.

Let's imagine (we don't even have to imagine) that I have never ever played WoW and have zero idea how it works. Are you capable of giving me a direct answer to the question or not?

[Tiramu]

It's 100% healthy to form groups around similar skill levels and similar expectation levels. Everything else will lead to tension in the goup and sooner or later for the group to break up. The longer you force people together that dont belong together, the more frustration you are creating on both sides.

The PF allows you to recruit randoms and gives casual and semi-casual players a point of access into high end content. Sometimes you get great groups, sometimes mayhem.

If you want to curate your groups in a more efficient manner, like similar skill level groups, then PF is a horrible way to do it in the first place. Your FC or forming a static is always going to be more efficient. So you're arguing for a solution to a feature that isnt broken to begin with.

[Tiramu]

Let's imagine (we don't even have to imagine) that I have never ever played WoW and have zero idea how it works. Are you capable of giving me a direct answer to the question or not?

It was a straight answer, you're just being dishonest now. We know this is what would happen because past precident has demonstrated that this is what happens in other MMO's that allow open parsing.

Unless you're suggesting that XIV inherantly poops unicorns and rainbows so is immune to the toxic MMO culture that has fucked other MMO's over, then thats what would happen.

If you dont know about WoW, 5 minutes cringing on YouTube will be more than enough.

[Saraide]

The PF allows you to recruit randoms and gives casual and semi-casual players a point of access into high end content. Sometimes you get great groups, sometimes mayhem.

If you want to curate your groups in a more efficient manner, like similar skill level groups, then PF is a horrible way to do it in the first place. Your FC or forming a static is always going to be more efficient. So you're arguing for a solution to a feature that isnt broken to begin with.

It's working right now because that curation is already happening. You are trying to scare us of the current system. A system you yourself think isnt broken to begin with.