Criterion savage, only for i625-i630?

[Mika_Zahard]

And that's where my gripe lies at. I havent gotten lucky with PF groups nor i can get a static that is able to get past ruby5/devour traps, so 630 gear is out of the question for me. Ill be stuck at 620 as i cant access the second ring upgrade .. thanks PF

[Reinha]

And then there's Criterion Savage which requires 625 to get in.

It was confirmed? Good. For the first time since like 2015 I'm not overgeared for a new level cap dungeon.

[Gullis]

I mean there's already 2 other versions with a much more accessible ilvl requirement and difficulty level. I don't see what the issue is. It's basically bonus content for people who have done savage.
Also we don't know what the dps checks will look like. It may not be THAT restrictive, I'm sure they are taking in mind that 4 person parties covers a lot less ground than 8 person parties.

the Issue I have is that this content might appeal to players who aren't interested in savage raiding, but would love some hard content to do with friends you can easily organize at any given time. (yes getting 3 other friends toghter, vs getting 7 friends togheter is actually night and day difference) I see no positive reason to do this.

I don't have much faith in the first two modes tbh, considering the first version is balanced around any role comp being viable, and the ex version being balanced around duty finder, meaning it probably won't be super hard if your going inn with 3 buddies.

there is basically no 90 content in this game outside of savage raiding, that is remotely fun or challenging, so locking the one thing that might satisfy non savage raiders, and give them more to do, behind savage raid gear just seems like a misstep to me.

Also is 625 comfirmed?

[Aluja89]

And that's where my gripe lies at. I havent gotten lucky with PF groups nor i can get a static that is able to get past ruby5/devour traps, so 630 gear is out of the question for me. Ill be stuck at 620 as i cant access the second ring upgrade .. thanks PF

Yup, there's going to be whole lot more complaints like this going forward. They made Savage more difficult with tons of shitty bodycheck mechanics while the general skill level of the playerbase has gone downhill, walling off everyone even progging becomes a pain. So, if this decision is actually true that Savage gear is needed for Criterion Savage then that will be the dumbest one they've made to date unless the normal and EX dungeons give gear for it.

[Hanayumi]

We are technically missing a mid tier gearset, but in all likelihood it would be around ilv615...

[Packetdancer]

the Issue I have is that this content might appeal to players who aren't interested in savage raiding, but would love some hard content to do with friends you can easily organize at any given time. (yes getting 3 other friends toghter, vs getting 7 friends togheter is actually night and day difference) I see no positive reason to do this.

You either need to do a straight stat sync -- not basing it on gear at all -- or balance it for savage gear, or else you run the risk that savage raiders will outgear it on day one. If it's balanced to be cleared with i610 gear, a party in i630 BiS is going to steamroller through some mechanics that should ideally be a body-check on them. And people like having "I got better gear, now this raidwide doesn't kill me / now my numbers are bigger" being a thing.

But moreover, the variant dungeon (and the Criterion and Criterion savage variants) aren't coming until 6.25; by the time we do get them, there's probably only going to be a month or whatever until 6.3 lands. When 6.3 hits, we'll have another alliance raid and people will be able to upgrade their i620 tomestone gear to i630 without needing to do savage; the Criterion savage variant will quickly become accessible to folks even without savage gear.

Now, I admit, I do kind of wish it might be different; I do have friends who I'd love to do the Criterion savage with who won't have the gear right away.

But I also don't think it's a huge problem; you have the variant mode (for folks who just want the story), and the Criterion mode (for folks who want a little challenge), and even if it has an i625 requirement (which I still don't think I've seen confirmed) the Criterion savage mode will be accessible fairly soon after the introduction for those who want to put in the effort to upgrade their tomestone gear, and will be accessible to everyone even with crafted gear as soon as 6.4 lands.

[Jeeqbit]

And then there's Criterion Savage which requires 625 to get in. The 5 is important because that means at least some savage will be required to enter as unaugmented tomestone gear is 620, and that's the best non-savage players can get til 6.3. So if you want to run Criterion Savage this patch, Savage is required.

I don't think this is true.

Yoshi-P's live letter stream proved that the only thing preventing a person at item level 618 from entering Criterion Savage was not having 4 people in the party. In fact, there wasn't a minimum item level displayed at all, so you could enter at item level 1.

[LittleImp]

Having hard dungeons locked behind savage raid gear sounds moronic, but ohwell, I guess we'll see.

The reason people don't do savage is often because PF is cancer, and they can't commit to a static. The fact that it's hard doesn't have anything to do with it. At least not in my friend group.

People that have a genuine interest in challenging content in 14 will seek it out and complete it. I highly, highly doubt there are a large number of people that have some weird aversion to the games other difficult offerings, but are totally interested in the new 4 man savage.

[Gullis]

People that have a genuine interest in challenging content in 14 will seek it out and complete it. I highly, highly doubt there are a large number of people that have some weird aversion to the games other difficult offerings, but are totally interested in the new 4 man savage.

I know plenty. Simply because raids requires either a static, where you have to consistently be available for a set amount of hours, for so and so days, which can be challenging for many people depending on life or work situations.
or you can do PF. yeah People love to PF don't they? where the challenge comes from getting a okay group, rather than the fight itself.

I'm in a chill static atm, so im good. but if I didn't have that opportunity, due to life getting in the way, there would be no way I would suffer solo in PF, even tho I love hard content in any game. Light parties fixes these issues, due to the ease of getting 3 people togheter, that can be more easily done on the fly with little planning.

I have plenty of friends in this game, That would love to do savage levels of difficulty in a smaller group, who don't do savage raiding for the reason above.

It seems so obvious to me, but maybe i'm just wierd.

[Kansene]

People that have a genuine interest in challenging content in 14 will seek it out and complete it. I highly, highly doubt there are a large number of people that have some weird aversion to the games other difficult offerings, but are totally interested in the new 4 man savage.

I'm interested in challenging content, but I am also aware of how awful I am at playing. It's way easier to find 3 equally awful players to fail together with, than finding a static where I'll most likely hold 7 other people back for months until they get tired of my nonsense.