Criterion savage, only for i625-i630?

[Reinha]

It's supposed to be a difficult challenge for the best players, and being able to overgear it with savage gear would defeat the entire point of having this content. If it syncs at 635, my guess is it will probably be tuned close to that. Being able to queue with a lower item level won't matter if it's impossible to clear with bad gear, same as savage raids.

[Kansene]

It would be incredibly narrow if the content was tuned specifically for BiS savage raiders and nothing else to be honest. But I guess it's nice that the top elite gets a niche here and there too?
Personally I was hoping for super difficult content that wasn't gear dependent so I could feel good about playing well.

[Jeeqbit]

The people who have been especially wanting this are people who don't do savage, because they are only interested in 4-person content and find that a lot easier to form a party for, and people who just want dungeons to actually be challenging. It wouldn't make much sense to treat it like an ultimate and say that if you haven't cleared savage then you can't clear it.

It actually seems that there just isn't a minimum item level because in the non-savage version it's next to the item level sync. Since it's missing we won't have a clear answer but I think it would be a mistake to aim it specifically at people who have cleared 8-person savage.

Even if it is tuned for 630, I doubt it will be unclearable at lower item levels because they have explained how it's possible to go beyond enrage and players will probably find a way to beat it as well.

[CaedemSanguis]

It would be incredibly narrow if the content was tuned specifically for BiS savage raiders and nothing else to be honest.

There is 3 version, variant (= easy), criterion EX (=ex level or maybe even savage) and criterion savage (=???)

I don't really see the problem for the savage version to be tuned for i630 bis, as it will probably be very hard to clear

[Reinha]

I'm not saying it's the right choice to tune it for savage raid gear. But if it syncs to 635 it should not be clearable with anything under, say, 625. Why release something that people can overgear day 1? They could also make it accessible to non-raiders by syncing at 615 and making it clearable with 610+ gear. Then no one would be able to overgear it right away and everyone would meet the checks.

[Stepjam]

610 will be the likely ilvl just because there are people that aren't into savage tier that would find a light party easier to deal with.

Savage starts at 625, they specified. It's not being called savage for no reason. I believe 610 is for the "extreme" version.

[Stepjam]

I'm not saying it's the right choice to tune it for savage raid gear. But if it syncs to 635 it should not be clearable with anything under, say, 625. Why release something that people can overgear day 1? They could also make it accessible to non-raiders by syncing at 615 and making it clearable with 610+ gear. Then no one would be able to overgear it right away and everyone would meet the checks.

Criterion savage isn't meant to be accessible to non-raiders. That's why it literally has "Savage" in the title. The accessible dungeon for non-raiders is the Variant version. And probably Extreme to an extent.

Also even if it syncs to 635, that won't be even obtainable until 6.4 weapon aside. So I don't think overgearing is a particular concern here.

[SaberMaxwell]

Gonna be interesting to see how job balance even works in there, tuning for 625/BiS or no. With raise being blocked entirely, SMN/RDM will basically be non-starter jobs to take; honestly caster in general will probably be the dumped role in favor of DNC/Melee/Tank/Healer.

[Deceptus]

why will the savage version be i610 when the ex version is 610 min ilvl ?

Hate to be that person but source on that claim?

[Axious]

What if they treat it akin to unreal sync? Gear won’t matter at that point. The enemies will scale to the difficulty of dungeon type. (Normal, EX, Savage)