Helare shortage in PF: what would bring you back?

[ForsakenRoe]

for a time in SHB when WHM had it's full 2.5s casts on glare, i did have an idea of bringing back Fluid Aura (renamed to Water, later upgrading to Banish) as an instantcast GCD that cost 1000mp, but with a potency of 450 (maybe even 500), as a way to give them A: mobility ala ruin 2 on SCH, and B: a reason for piety to exist as a stat. if you had too much piety in this example, like 2200 cos the crafted gear is LOADED with it for some reason, you'd be able to dump more MP into this more potent damage spell to close the gap between high piety and lower piety big crit/dh sets, and it'd add an extra layer of optimisation with dumping mana on Banish during raidbuff windows for dps gains (but not enough that you run OOM)

it'd mean MP management as a skill again, and clearly we can't have that, DRK's 'evolution' over the years has shown that, also they made glare 1.5s so we dont even need a ruin2 option anymore and this idea is no longer really needed (though doing something to make piety not 'dead stat lmao' would be nice)

[MirielleLavandre]

DPS shortage
is DPS not engaging enough?

Don't forget that PF in Japan is very different than NA. Japanese use it to practice, and use raid finder (or DF) to clear. Since heals/tanks often have a lil more responsibility, they often practice the most^^

[Rilifane]

How dare you to propose a gameplay that potentially subjects the newbie learning healer to suboptimal performance, there must not be a gap between them & the skilled healer reee. /s

Right you are, how could I?
A skill ceiling for healers that doesn't reward you with more Glaroileficosis? Unacceptable :c

[Aword3213]

Also, it’s interesting how majority of the healer shortage based on your screenies don’t really apply as much to Practice PFs.

Yes, you are right. They don't appy since the topic of this thread is about PF. I'm not good at reading, so maybe the PF in this thread means PF which exludes parties aiming for practice because practice parties in PF do not count as PF. Right

But your PF certain do apply. because it's convienient

Don't forget that PF in Japan is very different than NA. Japanese use it to practice, and use raid finder (or DF) to clear. Since heals/tanks often have a lil more responsibility, they often practice the most^^

For all the years raiding in JP datacenter, you surely know more than I do.

[GoatOfWar]

It never fails. Every time. "You're not REAL healers! You're just DPS players in disguise looking for quick clears! The people still attracted to the role are the REAL healers!"

I've played healers/support in games for decades. d e c a d e s. I've played them in single player RPGs. I've played them in tabletop RPGs. Doing the math, my D&D/Pathfinder rap sheet has me playing Clerics and Oracles in just under 75% of them. Seventy-five. I've played support in all but one MMO I've picked up over the years, and that's in the double digits (and is counting FFXIV, where I healed for more expansions than I haven't).

I've had just about every single Sylphie traipsing through these forums either directly accuse or imply that I'm not a Real Healer (tm) when I or someone else here has the temerity to state that we think spamming CureMedica and having the most simplistic damage rotation outside a mobile idle game isn't good game design.

I've quite possibly played healers longer than you've been alive. Not a real healer. Get OVER yourself.

Ditto.
I think a lot of people lack perspective because the only template they've got for what a healer design is supposed to be, is FF14's. But FF14 has some of the weakest healer designs i've ever seen. Across many, many games.

[Sunhwapark]

Probably doesn't help that they removed most of the things that healers had interactions with from the past.

MP may aswell be infinite at this point, and healers shouldn't exist on the enmity list outside of honorable mentions like Faeries to say that they attended, so that they don't have to worry about being targeted by enemies.

[Liam_Harper]

It never fails. Every time. "You're not REAL healers! You're just DPS players in disguise looking for quick clears!

Caught out again :c

One of the strangest phenomenon in ff14 is how anytime a filthy wannabe dps is paired with another wannabe green dps in an 8 man party, it somehow by an amazing miracle nearly always turns into a smooth run where no one dies to lack of healing. Truly baffling. Yet the REAL healers have dps dying left and right to raidwides (entirely the co-healers fault, of course). Usually in Normals, which filthy wannabe dps (by another form of miracle) can literally solo heal with 0 GCD's. Rather unfair on these heroes of Duty Finder to have it so difficult, but they thrive on challenge and bravely soldier on. One theory is there's a hidden "Coddle Buff" when two green dps are in the same group, to avoid the duty being impossible to clear due to their sabotaging playstyle. Another is that they have an evil addon which enables cheat mode ...somehow, but for now we can only theorize. One thing is for certain, after a short round of feelycraft Sylphie researchers have determined that it is definitely a fact that they contribute 500% more to groups than optimized healers, who only have extensive mathematical research and logs which does not constitute as proof because the Curebot council has declared it is so.

[aderichi]

In WoW we had "healing rotations" where it was easy to string abilities together to conserve MP to produce HPS.

HPS was actually a metric worth tracking in WoW. However I don't think FFXIV will go that direction even though I really miss that playstyle. Instead here is what I think.

My recommendation
-remove all GCD heals and tune fights based on there removal / replacements
-add more pneuma damage/heal GCD like abilities

General healer QOL adjustments recommendation
-Add out of range indicator on raid frames
-Add mouse over as a setting instead of a macro option (since macros are bad)

[ForteNightshade]

Yes, you are right. They don't appy since the topic of this thread is about PF. I'm not good at reading, so maybe the PF in this thread means PF which exludes parties aiming for practice because practice parties in PF do not count as PF. Right

But your PF certain do apply. because it's convienient




For all the years raiding in JP datacenter, you surely know more than I do.

For the sake of argument, I'll assume you aren't simply trolling and ask what exactly is your end game here? Let's take your screenshot at face value. Okay, great! JP doesn't have a healer shortage. So why is that relevant on the NA forums when we clearly do?

[Rilifane]

snip snap

I've seen my fair share of Sylphies in PF. I remember after dropping from the static shortly after the 1st tier started and PFing it for a few weeks that I had several healers within one day alone that might as well have been a CNJ because they ignored pretty much their whole WHM kit save for the odd Asylum and Rapture and sat at 50% uptime at most. In a reclear party. The rest was all Medica, Medica II, lots of Regens and Cure IIs, pull after pull until the party disbanded without a clear.
I've also seen a lot of healers that proudly sat at 1,5-2k dps on Ex 4 when I no-lifed that one for over a week. We rarely cleared with them because for all their GCD heal spam, they were surprisingly useless when real damage happened.
Sylphies don't exist in Savage my ass.

And I pretty much quit PF healing.
Call me a wannabe dps if you want, I don't care. You can hardly judge me after I've healed for two decades in pretty much every game and MMO I've played and I most certainly am one of the competent healers and I've been driven away. Same with the many people that said they quitted healing in several threads on this forum. If someone can carry the majority of the healing, take rezzes, prevent further deaths and still push some impressive dps numbers in a chaotic run, they are definitely competent.
And that's exactly what I saw in the logs of many people here that quit (PF) healing.
I'll take those "wannabe dps" that quitted as a co heal over anything you think of as a real healer any day.

It would also help to be a little less pedantic instead of going "You can't ACKSHUALLY AFK or you fail mechanics!!111 Hyperbole!!!!111" and derailing every single thread into a personal battleground by making it about this fallacy and that fallacy. It can't be that difficult to read between the lines and get the meaning.