7.0 combat should go back to the shb recipe - burst rotations aren't enjoyable

[Aluja89]

As a Tank main, 5.0 was the absolute worst. 4.0, or bust, that is all.

[Avenheit]

As a Tank main, 5.0 was the absolute worst. 4.0, or bust, that is all.

GNB was banging but thats probably cheating since it come out as is, 6.0 GNB is pulling teeth

[Aluja89]

GNB was banging but thats probably cheating since it come out as is, 6.0 GNB is pulling teeth

Yeah, GNB was the only saving grace, the others? OOF.

[UkcsAlias]

Aligned buffs is fine as long as the jobs themselves are interesting, which is hit and miss across the jobs. I don’t think the buffs being aligned is the sole cause of these problems being mentioned. If party buffs exist they should be designed to line up or just be removed from the game.

Its mostly down to buff stacking. The more you can stack, the more value attacks become in that same window. So everything gets focussed into that window.

This can only be broken if stacking is no longer effective. Some buffs can still stack (damage, armor, healing), but it prevents 4 damage buffs at the same time being effective. To achieve this, there are multiple ways:
- Strongest effect wins, the rest is ignored (SCH and SGE shields achieve this effect already and is not an issue)
- Weakened stacking. Instead of 2x a 5% buff, the 2nd 5% buff (sorted by strongest effect, or by apply moment) is weakened to for example 2.5%. While it can still be used for a burst window. It depends more on the other roles which method is prefered as an extended 5% duration might still result in more damage. Linear stacking will remain broken.
- Hard buff limits. Stacking can work, but not beyond a certain value. For example if there are 3 party buffs of 5% available, but the limit is 10%, you can overlap 2 of them, but not 3. But the 3rd one on that can also be combined with a personal buff to create a 2nd window, allowing players to pick their prefered window and support more burst rotations.

And even mechanic wise there are methods to act against it (these are not a true solution, but mechanics like this could still weaken burst window vulnerable bosses):
- Randomized damage debuffing. By making bosses apply a lot of debuffs in a randomized pattern that doesnt follow the 2min window. The dps classes might face a debuff during the 2min window, and by that get all the damage bonusses completely negated. This motivates spreading out to negate the effects from this. As these debuffs only affect dps, its not a problem that the bosses can spam this.
- Burst armor. Giving a boss armor when the dps is exceeding a certain value, it can directly negate the burst window by making it counter productive. Forcing players to spread out the burst damage. This can even be part of a dps check where you realy want to maximize the damage. This however might be a bit too anoying and for that reason limited to savages (where such coordination might actualy be a welcome mechanic).

[baklava151]

I still miss DRG having buffs on disparate CDs back in ShB and needing to enter/delay LotD depending on what CD was coming up Maybe you still do that in certain instances of Savage but I haven't brought DRG into anything past Ex.

[Ggwppino]

You're complaining about over-aligned buffs in a tier where 3 out of 4 raids, for now, force buffs out of alignment or not being aligned optimally. And many are trying to figure out how to better align buffs in order to have the best overall rdps for everyone and not just for those jobs that can burst even at 4:20 without losing all the damage. The last tier in p2s before reaching the conclusion that it was better to delay the buffs to 5 minutes instead of 4:20 almost half tier passed. With all different buffs, this difficulty would not be there because everyone would buff whenever they like as well as creating comps to line up the buffs.

[ty_taurus]

Shtormblood was a pretty solid expansion for job design and fight design, I agree. Not all jobs were in the best spots, but by in large, it was a good happy medium between the unforgiving nature if HW and a more accessible and easier overall experience.

[Ransu]

The current balance literally is the ShB design...They have been pushing into this direction since ShB. I think what you really meant was SB. ARR and HW had the most unique systems with all the jobs, but it was also just as big of an unbalanced mess.

[Avenheit]

The current balance literally is the ShB design...They have been pushing into this direction since ShB. I think what you really meant was SB. ARR and HW had the most unique systems with all the jobs, but it was also just as big of an unbalanced mess.

while tank and healer were at the beginning of losing rotation freedom, most if not all dps were still very much enjoyable, heck, SAM players were unhappy at the start of EW with their rotation before they took away Kaiten. They were upset because SAM in shb was fine as heck. hell, i enjoyed most classes on my way to the amaro mount.


in ew? I just don't care about anything besides my main. the 2minute burst rotation is sucked so much fun out of the classes.

and you can see there is a mass disdain towards the changes this expac, just look at the forums.


DRK copped it in shb, SMN/SAM/MCH this expac. GNB requires borrowed braincells and theres constant balancing issues with other classes. PLD/WAR get buffs almost every patch.


Everything was fine with the old formula, 2minute bursts ain't it bro

[seolhyun]

why? ShB jobs aren't much different than now xD. hw/sb was peak.